Hello Margie,
> Hello Mark,
>
> On Oct 24, 2011, at 7:38 PM, Matt Kundert wrote:
> >
> > Matt said:
> > I'm wondering what it even means for science to reject, say,
> > biological values.
> >
> > Marsha said:
> > Science might reject the physical responses accompanying jealousy,
> > fear or hate from biasing the interpretation or presentation of data.
> >
> > Matt also said:
> > When did biology reject sex?
> >
> > Marsha also said:
> > Biology includes the study of sex.
> >
> > Matt:
> > The first response construes Pirsig in a useful way, but the second
> > walks into why the formulation is odd: science _studies_ stuff, but to
> > say it _includes_ it without the "study of" bit is to think that biology
> > includes having scientists having a lot of sex with each other ("in the
> > name of science," they keep telling their spouses). The answer to
> > the rhetorical question doesn't rebut the premise in the right way in
> > order to clarify the issue. Science rejects jealousy and fear as
> > appropriate responses in the "study of" bit, but in the same way the
> > answer to the second question could've been "biology includes the
> > study of fear." Biology doesn't reject sex, and it doesn't reject fear,
> > in toto: rather it rejects fear and sex in terms of their relevance to
> > the "study of" stuff. Which is why I find the Pirsig formulation a
> > little lop-sided.
>
> Marsha:
> Since there is no absolute by which to reckon whether RMP's
> formulation is a little lop-sided or your head is a little lop-sided,
> I'd have wonder what are you trying to grasp? Do you know?
>
> Marsha
Why on earth do we need an absolute to be able to make value
judgements? Did I not relativize the judgement properly enough to
my self and its perspective? Oh, I see that I did.
What on earth are you looking for, Margie?
Matt
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