Oh.

I suppose the standard would be furthering the MoQ through analogy.  
Defensiveness is the quality of standing fast to a concept to show one is 
unmoved by argument.  Such defensiveness is a cage of SOM, wherein one resorts 
to words said by another without any creative thought.

Your patterned/unpatterned has got you caught.  If you could express this in 
another way, it may help you.  I have no interest in you, just what you propose 
in these discussions.  You are safe.

Does that answer your question?

Mark

On Nov 6, 2011, at 1:52 PM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote:

> 
> Mark,
> 
> If you choose to label my posts as defensive, rather than as 
> intellectual, I'm asking what standards are you using both to 
> judge my posts and to write your own?  
> 
> 
> Marsha 
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 6, 2011, at 4:40 PM, 118 wrote:
> 
>> Hi Marsha,
>> I have no idea what you are talking about in terms of "standards of
>> intellectual discourse".  Could you please ask the question in another
>> way?
>> Mark
>> 
>> On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 8:30 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sweet Mark,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Oct 29, 2011 Mark wrote to dmb:
>>> 
>>>>> Mark:
>>>>> Marsha may think you are attacking her personally rather than having an 
>>>>> intellectual debate.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Nov 3, 2011 Marsha asked Mark:
>>> 
>>>> Marsha:
>>>> By what standards of intellectual discourse do you write?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I ask again:
>>> I'm still waiting.  By what standards of intellectual discourse do you 
>>> write?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Marsha
>>> 
>>> 
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