Marsha,
The fact that you think I want you to "mirror" my words shows that you have no 
idea what I am talking about.  The words are trivial when it comes to Quality; 
there are a million ways to say the same thing.  Just read the books by Pirsig 
on the subject of words.

As Aquinas is said to have uttered after he had a spiritual awakening, 
"...because all that I have written seems like straw to me", and he never 
finished the Summa Theologica.  One of the greatest syntheses of Religion and 
Aristotelian logic.

Do you get it now?

Mark

On Nov 4, 2011, at 5:34 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote:

> 
> Hello Ron,
> 
> Mark would have me mirror his words.  You too?  That's an obvious gumption 
> trap.  Or to frame a discussion in words like 'trashing', 'denigrating' and 
> 'revenge-attitude'.  
> 
> Mark prefers his "automatic writing".  That's great for him.   -  I prefer to 
> speak in my own voice.  That's a type of freedom when you are not a member of 
> the boy's club.   
> 
> 
> Marsha
> 
>   ---  
> 
> THE HONEY TREE
>        by Mary Oliver
> 
> And so at last I climbed
> the honey tree, ate
> chunks of pure light, ate
> the bodies of bees that could not
> get out of my way, ate
> the dark hair of the leaves,
> the rippling bark,
> the heartwood. Such
> frenzy! But joy does that,
> I’m told, in the beginning.
> Later, maybe,
> I’ll come here only
> sometimes and with a
> middling hunger. But now
> I climb like a snake,
> I clamber like a bear to
> the nuzzling place, to the light
> salvaged by the thighs
> of bees and racked up
> in the body of the tree.
> Oh, anyone can see
> how I love myself at last!
> how I love the world! climbing
> by day or night
> in the wind, in the leaves, kneeling
> at the secret rip, the cords
> of my body stretching
> and singing in the
> heaven of appetite.
> 
>           ---  
> 
> 
> On Nov 4, 2011, at 8:11 AM, X Acto wrote:
> 
>> Marsha:
>> I think your complaining, and you are beginning to sound like one of the 
>> complaining sock puppets, is hypocritical.  
>> 
>> By what standards of intellectual discourse do you write?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Mark,
>> Marsha, the name reffering to an everchanging pattern of Quality that has no
>> existence, is a intellectual trap.
>> 
>> Any pattern that has no existence is a pattern that has no meaning, thus 
>> "marsha"
>> is a false dilemma.
>> 
>> The pattern will call for clarity and supply none.
>> 
>> The pattern will call for standards and abide by none.
>> 
>> The more one attempts to "reason" politely the more one is ridiculed for 
>> trying.
>> 
>> A Gumption trap to be sure, layed out masterfully as intellecual bait. 
>> 
>> Irrestistable to the unknowing  intellectual, the pattern will ever entice.
>> 
>> ....
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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