Hi Mark, On 11/22/11, 118 <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Steve, > Could you be more specific?
Steve: I probably could if you say what you want me to be more specific about, but I'll gladly say some more general stuff.,.. dmb has long been trying to use the term relativism as a way of trying to criticize certain perspectives including mine, Matt's, Rorty's, and Marsha's, but dmb doesn't have anything that we don't have that can, say, be used against the arguments of the Nazis. He doesn't claim any foundation that we can't claim. Whether are are talking about moral or epistemic issues, there are no arguments that he can make that the rest of us so-called relativists are prevented from making. With regard to relativism, there is just no pragmatic difference between his own philosophical position and the ones he criticizes. The only sort of relativism that is cause for concern is the moral paralysis sort. But none of us here suffer from that problem. That sort of paralysis among liberal intellectuals was becoming a serious problem in the multi-culty 90's (when Lila came out), but morally paralyzed relativists are getting harder and harder to find (thank goodness). I suggest that dmb try to find one of these people to argue with, or better yet, learn to distinguish between some dangerous sort of relativism and the Pirsigian, pragmatic, and Buddhist provisional views of epistemic and ethical truth that SOMers will see as relativism. Why would an MOQer even want to wield an SOM-laden term like "relativism"? It is half of the old SOM Platypus, relativism/absolutism. It is a term based on an SOM premise that we deny. It is just another version of the wrong-headed question, "is the Quality in the subject or in the object?" Best, Steve > On Nov 22, 2011, at 9:33 AM, Steven Peterson <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Hi Marsha, >> >> You have raised a lot of good points here. It seems that dmb's >> argument is with Ant McWatt as much as it is with you though for some >> reason he hasn't acknowledged that fact. dmb will, as always, have a >> tough time articulating what particular sort of relativism--some >> dangerous sort?--that applies to you but not equally well to James and >> Pirsig. >> >> Best, >> Steve Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
