Mark, There are serious questions, from me and to you, in this post. They are the sentences with the questions marks at the end. - What do you think words are for? What are you searching for? What 'facade' are you talking about? How does the concept of 'unreal' enter into this dialogue? - You have generally been ignoring the questions I have presented to you for a long time. I no longer take your posts to be serious, and no longer feel the need to answer any of them.
Btw, Quality may be compared to quantum theory's non-locality. Static quality exists in stable patterns relative to (that's relative to) other patterns, where patterns have no independent existence. No hidden variables, only Quality. Marsha On Nov 25, 2011, at 3:17 PM, MarshaV wrote: > > > Marsha, > > On Nov 25, 2011, at 2:10 PM, 118 wrote: > >> >> Mark: >> This is fun. > > Marsha: > I suspect a mild form of insanity. > > >> On Nov 25, 2011, at 9:44 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> On Nov 25, 2011, at 12:05 PM, 118 wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Marsha, >>> >>>> Mark: >>>> Well I guess this begs the question "where is the real?". >>> >>> Marsha: >>> You brought the words "real thing" into the conversation. When I wrote >>> "There is no real thing.", I could be considering that you meant the word >>> "thing" in an independent, objective sense, or I could be questioning your >>> use of "real" as in an Absolute sense, or both. Or maybe I should have >>> disregarded your post,,, again. >> >> Mark: >> I suppose I should ask you "independent" from what? We use the word >> "objective" to imply detached. I will agree that we are not detached, and >> that the word can be dropped if you want. It is often used rhetorically to >> provide a meaningful split between the "subjective" and the "objective". Is >> this split meaningless to you? If so, I can avoid using it. However, if we >> start to simplify language, the color it brings turns to shades of grey. > > Marsha: > I have no idea what you are talking about. > > >>>> Mark: >>>> Words are symbols, but perhaps what words convey outside the symbology is >>>> real. >>> >>> Marsha: >>> Haven't the slightest idea what this means. >> >> Mark: >> OK, then let me ask the following thought question: What are words used for? >> This may give a better idea. > > Marsha: > I do not know for certain. What do you think? > > >>>> Mark: >>>> If one lives in an unreal world, one is always searching. >>> >>> Marsha: >>> I live in a provisional, static world interacting with DQ to a varying >>> degree. I am sorry you are "always searching." >>> >> IMark: >> f your world is provisional, what is it provisional to? > > Marsha: > I should have said I live in a conventional, static world. > > >>>> Mark: >>>> Such searching is also considered unreal, and meaningfulness is lost. >>> >>> Marsha: >>> What are you searching for? >> >> Mark: >> Many things, but the right here right now is real to me. I see no reason to >> hide it as if there were something more. It would seem that you operate >> within a fake world. If a word is not real, then what is it? If >> provisionality is not real, then where do you find yourself? > > Marsha: > I meant provincial or conventional world. What _seems to you_ about me is > your problem because I cannot related to anything you've written. > > >>>> Mark: >>>> What has meaning to you? >>> >>> Marsha: >>> It's all Value(Dynamic/static). >> >> Mark: >> Is Value Real to you, or is there something contingent to Value or Quality? > > Marsha: > I might repeat the positive tetralemma that Jay Garland put together: > > Everything is _conventionally_ real. > Nothing is _Ultimately_ real. > Everything is both _conventionally_ real and _Ultimately_ unreal. > Nothing is either _conventionally_ unreal or _Ultimately_ real. > > >>>> Mark: >>>> Is there something behind the facade? >>> >>> Marsha: >>> What facade? >> >> Mark: >> When you say unreal it seems to imply a facade. Is there then no facade? > > Marsha: > You brought in the word 'unreal'. Do you mean Ultimately unreal? Do you > know what you mean??? > > > You've ignored my questions. I've had enough. This is too boring. > > > Byeeee. > > > Marsha > > > > > > > ___ > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
