Marsha, Was it thoughtful in terms of your understanding of MoQ, or was it not related to MoQ? What did you think about? That is, since it was thoughtful, what thoughts did it produce? Or, is that a secret? Mark
On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 11:06 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > Andre, > > I found the presentation on Emptiness very thoughtful. For what it's worth. > > > Marsha > > > > Sent from my iPad > > On Dec 17, 2011, at 1:55 PM, Andre <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I think I have inadvertently pushed the send button when the post was not >> yet completed. Please ignore the previous one and if you care to ignore this >> one as well that's fine...I'm easy, but this is the complete one. >> >> Marsha to Mark: >> >> So I find it worth considering what the Buddhist's have to say about >> Emptiness, and what this particular presentation says about the importance >> of realizing Emptiness, or Dynamic Quality. I find it a very thoughtful >> presentation. >> >> Andre: >> Hi Marsha, Mark. First of all 'the Buddhists' have nothing to say about >> 'Emptiness' because there isn't anything to say about it. The closest one >> gets is 'light' or 'freedom' or 'within which there is great working', 'an >> insight','a luminous cloud', 'an intese vision', 'a sensation of great >> bliss'. These are all nice , but they are all static representations which >> is what DQ is not . Read all the first person accounts of the saints and >> sages over the years, read Pirsig and you will not find anything on the >> content of Quality, Nothingness, Emptiness, Tao, Buddha mind, Big Self...not >> one thing...of course not. There is nothing to say about it...because you >> end up thinking about nothing at all (which is a nice experience). But >> Phaedrus realised this. A first person account of DQ is meaningless unless >> one has like-developed persons to converse with. And even that conversation >> is quite weird to watch. >> >> Therefore he gained the insight that "In the past Pheadrus' own radical bias >> caused him to think of Dynamic Quality alone (as you seem to be doing >> Marsha) and neglect static patterns of quality (as you seem to be doing >> Marsha). Until now he had always felt that these static patterns were dead. >> They have no love. They offer no promise of anything. To succumb to them is >> to succumb to death, since that which does not change cannot live. But now >> he was beginning to see that this radical bias weakened his own case ( >> listening Marsha?). Life cannot exist on Dynamic Quality alone. It has no >> staying power. To cling to Dynamic Quality is to cling to chaos. He saw that >> much can be learned about Dynamic Quality by studying what it is not rather >> that futilely trying to define what it is... Slowly at first, and then with >> increasing awareness (!) that he was going in a right direction, Phaedrus' >> central attention turned away from any further explanation of Dynamic >> Quality and turned to t > he >> static patterns themselves' ( LILA pp 124-5. The exclamation marks are not >> meant to be condescending or derogatory but are placed there to point to >> where I think you go overboard or neglect). >> The idea of 'realizing Emptiness' is a different notion and practice. All >> the perennial philosophers agree that it is here right now, closer to you >> than you are to your self! Quite a claim and quite a promise which isn't a >> promise. It is an affirmation that needs to be realized. Until such >> realization one can only point the finger. That is what the MOQ attempts to >> do (amongst other things). Which is the dynamic interplay of LILA, DQ/sq not >> to be confused with one another. Remember the great insight in reducing all >> to the 'One'? This is not so. To express the 'One' properly one designates >> it as 'not-two'. >> >> For what it is worth. >> >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
