Yes, Gov!  


On Mar 10, 2012, at 1:25 PM, Horse <[email protected]> wrote:

> Marsha
> 
> Why do you continue to deliberately and wilfully misinterpret what I have 
> said?
> 
> I have not banned anyone from talking about the intellectual level - I merely 
> put a limit on the number of posts per day for discussing the SOLAQI nonsense 
> due to Bo swamping ALL discussions on the subject and refusing to stop being 
> a pain in the arse and I spent a considerable amount of time doing so. In the 
> end Bo threw a hissy fit and removed himself from the discussion because he 
> couldn't have his own way and refused to listen. His stupidity, arrogance and 
> childishness are his problem not mine.
> If you check the archives you will see that I did not ban anyone from 
> discussing their interpretation of the Intellectual level so please stop 
> trying to make out that I'm some sort of dictator who bans people and 
> discussions on this forum just because I don't want to hear them or I 
> disagree with what they say.
> 
> If I think someone is behaving inappropriately I ask them to stop and if they 
> refuse then I remove them. Simple. It is my job as owner and administrator of 
> this forum to try and keep the discussion to Pirsigs MoQ and if forum members 
> don't like the way I do it then that's too bad.
> 
> If you want to discuss your interpretation of the Intellectual level that's 
> fine - however, if you want to discuss SOLAQI (or whatever acronym Bo has 
> decide on) then limit your posts as I have requested. If you're not 
> discussing SOLAQI (or some sort of disguised version of it) then feel free to 
> discuss your ideas - however I would ask that you don't try and tell everyone 
> that Pirsig is an idiot or a traitor to the MoQ or doesn't understand his own 
> ideas etc.
> 
> Are we clear now or will I have to repeat myself yet again in a few weeks 
> time?
> 
> Horse
> 
> On 10/03/2012 16:32, MarshaV wrote:
>> Hi Ron,
>> 
>> I am not sure that there is a clear definition or consensus concerning the 
>> Intellectual Level, and unless Horse opens up the topic, I have been banned 
>> from discussing my interpretation/definition.  Further, we live in a global 
>> world where Eastern and Western philosophies might be brought together and 
>> moved forward, so I see no need to exclude either's point-of-view.  As far 
>> as I know Eastern philosophy is not enlightenment or nirvana, but is suppose 
>> to move one's understanding towards that state.  They struggle with 
>> overcoming the same self/object reification that the West struggles with.  
>> At least, imho.
>> 
>> 
>> Marsha
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 10, 2012, at 10:06 AM, X Acto wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Marsha to Dan:
>>>  Then intellectual static patterns of value are a particular category of 
>>> pattern that began to emerge with the ancient Greeks and functions in a 
>>> particular manner:  mathematics, philosophy, science, etc.
>>> 
>>> Ron sez:
>>> Although this was well said I think it can be summed up more generally by 
>>> pointing to
>>> the value of reflection, particularly reflection apon which concepts are 
>>> best and
>>> more importantly, our reasons for valuing them as the distinction marking 
>>> what western
>>> culture means by the term "intellectual" and more precisely what our group 
>>> means  by
>>> the distinction of an intellectual "level".
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ..
>> 
>> 
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