[David]
> Ideas come before hawks and mice.

I realize this is your view, but as Marsha has pointed out, for the MoQ the 
order is inorganic,
biological, social and intellectual spov.  

[Craig, previously]
> A hawk circles overhead, then swoops down on a mouse. How does it distinguish 
> the mouse from
> everything else around?  By patterns.

[David]
> I can easily come back and say how do you 'know' that a hawk does that?

There have been many experiments in pattern recognition in animals, including 
birds.
You reject a lot of good science by holding a bad metaphysics.
Craig
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