Hi Craig, > [David] >> These are ideas which you communicate to me...we are talking. And we can >> only ever talk in ideas. >> These are ideas which you communicate to me. > > This seems to be an example of the fallacy of mistaking the menu for the food. > 1) Beef, chicken & fish are on the menu > 2) Only words are on the menu > 3) :. Beef, chicken & fish are words
Yes, words representing things is a *good* *idea*. > or > > 1) Brushing your teeth is a good idea > 2) An idea is an intellectual pattern > 3) :. Brushing your teeth is a (good) intellectual pattern > > "The MOQ says that Quality comes first, which produces ideas, which produce > what we know as matter." > [Pirsig, Lila's Child] > "Playti have been laying eggs and suckling their young for million of years > before there were > zoologists" [Pirsig, Lila's Child] > > How do we reconcile these two statements? I don't see a contradiction. > One way would be to say that in the first quote, Pirsig is talking about > matter as "theoretical entities", > such as atomic nuclei surrounded by orbiting electrons. In the second quote, > he is talking about platypi > as biological patterns, apart from any classification that zoologists assign > them. In the first quote - Pirsig is talking about how the mind / matter debate isn't an either / or debate. Pirsig solves the mind / matter debate by claiming that there is something more fundamental than either matter or ideas - it's quality. Pirsig reminds us, in the first quote, that while ideas produce what we know as matter, that isn't the end of the story. He says it is a *good* idea that matter comes first. And because quality is fundamental and not ideas; then we should behave and live as if matter is first when it is *good* to do so. Such an instance of a *good* time to do so is when zoologists are studying Platipi. This is what Pirsig is talking about in his second statement.. -David. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
