Hi David, Thanks for the post. I suppose the question could be asked: What would existence be without static patterns? Phaedrus attempted to live by DQ, and found that difficult. What is it that static patterns bring us?
An interesting story comes from the halls of the deaf. It was presented on one of the "Radio Lab" broadcast that I posted a while back. In that story, the existence of a deaf population (somewhere in Latin America) is considered before and after words. Once words were acquired, some of the deaf subjects were asked what it was like before words. One such person stated that he could not remember. He stated that it was through words that the color in his life appeared. It was through words that meaning was presented within his life. In my opinion, we are part of the creative process. The manner in which we form static patterns is no different from the manner in which the universe forms matter, think about it. We could ask what a universe without matter would be like, and that is difficult to apprehend. I believe that both DQ and sq are necessary in our existence. If I were to take a "religious" analogy I could point to the artificial division between the soul and the body. What would a soul (DQ) be without a body (sq)? We have no memory (that most of us know of) before the body since the body is what creates memory (sq). However, we can point to that long, long time before we were born. Perhaps that is what it is like living solely in DQ. Perhaps it is something to look forward to once we are done here. Perhaps it is something we can experience and prepare for while we are here. Who knows? While it is important not to succumb to sq, it is equally important to Glorify in it (IMO). If one perceives the division between DQ and sq, and takes that to heart, I do not believe one will succumb to sq. Sq is a “conscious separation” from reality and is somewhat hallucinatory and bewitching; it should be balanced with awareness of DQ (whatever that is). This is the teachings of many Eastern, Middle Eastern, South American, American Indian, Aborigine, (and Western) philosophies. This is why it is important to interact "consciously" with DQ through meditative processes, and a direct embracing of mystical teachings. These can be “moved towards” through sq, but lie far beyond that. Once sq shows us the way, sq can be abandoned in those practices. In MoQ we are taught to distinguish between sq and DQ in order to broaden our awareness of this existence. The “wordy path” of Western thought may have moved away into "pure sq realms", and forgotten age old teachings. I believe that one purpose of MoQ is to allow a return to reality as it was originally conceived by Quality. This is just my humble opinion, of course. Not to be construed as the position taken by MoQ or the participants in this forum. It is open for discussion so that I may learn. Cheers, Mark On 3/21/12, David Harding <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Mark and Marsha, > > Who likes static patterns? They're old and complex. They represent death... > Pirsig says as much... > > "They have no love. They offer no promise of anything. To succumb to them is > to succumb to death, since that which does not change cannot live." - Lila > > "(Static quality) is old and complex. It always contains a component of > memory. Good is conformity to an established pattern of fixed values and > value objects. Justice and law are identical. Static morality is full of > heroes and villains, loves and hatreds, carrots and sticks. Its values don't > change by themselves. Unless they are altered by Dynamic Quality they say > the same thing year after year. Sometimes they say it more loudly, sometimes > more softly, but the message is always the same." - Lila > > Boring! YAWN!! I hate static patterns. They're so old and boring. They > don't change. Soo complex too. It makes my head hurt. But then there's > DYNAMIC QUALITY!! Ta DAA. That brings the change for the better that we > want.... > > If I am to live my life, I'm going to follow Dynamic Quality and Dynamic > Quality alone. I'm going to ignore what static quality there is from the > past and *Create* for the future and that's it. Continually create things. > One thing after another. Entirely irrespective of those boring static > patterns which exist already. That's the way to live my life! Just create - > don't discover.. Forget static patterns. They suck. They're always about > what did exist in past. Who cares about the past? Let's look to the future > to create for the future and the future alone! > > What do you guys think? > > Do you think there's any value in static patterns? Or should we always just > keep our eyes on that undefinable Dynamic Quality and not worry about the > static patterns of the past? > > -David. > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
