Hi Andre, You are wanting to change the subject from an I-less mindfulness and its imagined conflict perennial philosophy to a "moral self"?
On Apr 20, 2012, at 12:02 PM, Andre <[email protected]> wrote: > Marsha to Andre: > > In what way is identifying patterns as "yourself" other than just another > pattern, although, in your case, a very special pattern? But wait, isn't > that specialness you identify just another pattern too? > > Andre: > Marsha, what you fail to recognize, or rather what you refuse to recognize, > to commit yourself to, is the integrative power of the MOQ and its > implications. Remember the understanding which first broke through in > Phaedrus's mind when he had integrated science and ethics into a single > system? He became quite manic about this (see Chapter 12 in LILA). > > ...and I have just deleted a big chunk of my response to you as I realized > that it is all wasted on you. I realize that you do not consider your 'self' > to be a representative, a carrier, a manifestation of static moral patterns > of value. All, in the end, is meaningless because it is grounded in emptiness. Marsha: There is Quality(Dynamic/static), not another substance called self. The 'Marsha' and 'self' and 'I' and 'mine' and 'my' are merely nominal conventions labeling a stream, or flow, of value patterns. These terms are pragmatically used for social discourse. Static (patterned) value, of course, is moral. > All is JUST another pattern (as you argue above). Some patterns are better than others. Value is moral, what is your problem? > I do not wish to continue this 'discussion' with you. Your stance on this > discuss, to me is reprehensible. It comes over to me as the 'negative' side > of Quality...pure flatland. What does "Unlike subject-object metaphysics the Metaphysics of Quality does not insist on a single exclusive truth." (LILA, Chapter 8) mean to you? > out. I don't "fail to recognize". I fail to be willing to replace my understanding with your being stuck on social level morality. Marsha Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
