Pure DQ is dark night. Just look at what happened to Pirsig that required his brain to be rebooted! Pretty dark indeed, for that was severe treatment as he says in ZAMM. He lost his personality, and had only some vague memories and some writing to go by to discover who he was. Must have been pretty disturbing. Even in Lila he treats his personality from before as a third person. He states that he had to try to analyze a romantic view with a classical view.
He is not the only one this happened to through the ages. It is a personal time when nothing makes sense, and one is lost. Some describe this as extreme temptation (see Buddha). Then hopefully there is rebirth and a new view. Pirsig had a bit of this, but unfortunately he cannot remember what it was like to be "aware" like he was before the electroconvulsive therapy. Still, he did a good job with his first autobiography in presenting what he may have "seen" and made it useful when he brought back it into the ghost of reason for the rest of us. One cannot live in DQ alone. It can be dark. Be careful if you decide to go there, it is no fantasy story. It is not just a state of mind. Best to stay in this comfortable world of knowledge and not tempt those boundaries. Cheers, Mark On 6/19/12, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Joe, > > Is DQ dark night??? Or is dark night the pointless suffering in a world > filled with attachment to violent (false) static patterns and a false sense > of control? Maybe it is the confusion that seems darkest before the dawn? > Fear of letting go? Why? No guarantees? Lost expectations? Why chaos and > not fear-free Oneness? Fear of there being nothing to know and no one to > know it. > > > Marsha > > > > > > On Jun 19, 2012, at 2:38 PM, Joseph Maurer <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi MarshaV and All, >> >> DQ is Dark Night. Seemingly nothing, since is declared to be >> indefinable! >> DQ is not nothing! Comforting emotion makes my hair stand on end like a >> madman. I feel so terribly alone. The wonder of wonders is that DQ can >> stand alone begging SQ for boundaries. The response to DQ only is: Are >> you >> nuts? What are you talking about? Oh shit! And away we go! >> >> Joe >> >> >> On 6/19/12 1:04 AM, "MarshaV" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Dark night stuff cannot be very pleasant and I wonder if it might help to >>> make >>> it a topic. It is a common experience in many of the strains of >>> perennial >>> philosophy. Or maybe just doing some reading on the subject can help. >> >> >> > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
