Geeze Ant, You are still stuck in MoQ 101. Stop thinking so much about what things are not. It is really disturbing. Let go, just a little. Breath out! Use what you have learned and be creative with it. Pirsig was a begining, don't you get that?
However, I am glad that Marsha is teaching you something. It is nice to see some humility coming from you. Mark On 6/21/12, Ant McWatt <[email protected]> wrote: > > Good point, Marsha. I was waiting for someone to say that! > > Best wishes, > > Ant > > ---------------------------------------- > > Maraha V stated June 21st: > > > Dynamic Quality isn't any thing. It isn't 'dark night', or chaos; it is > unpatterned; it is indivisible, undefinable and unknowable. I would imagine > that there might be different responses in relationship to such experiences, > and a dark night funk might be one of them, but not necessarily. Wouldn't it > depend on one's static pattern history and the dynamics of the event(s)? A > monk having spent a lifetime in a monastery might react with AHA! Someone > from a hyper-rational environment might react with a OMG! > > Marsha > > >> On Jun 20, 2012, at 5:13 PM, 118 <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > Pure DQ is dark night. Just look at what happened to Pirsig that >> > required his brain to be rebooted! Pretty dark indeed, for that was >> > severe treatment as he says in ZAMM. He lost his personality, and had >> > only some vague memories and some writing to go by to discover who he >> > was. Must have been pretty disturbing. Even in Lila he treats his >> > personality from before as a third person. He states that he had to >> > try to analyze a romantic view with a classical view. >> > >> > He is not the only one this happened to through the ages. It is a >> > personal time when nothing makes sense, and one is lost. Some >> > describe this as extreme temptation (see Buddha). Then hopefully >> > there is rebirth and a new view. Pirsig had a bit of this, but >> > unfortunately he cannot remember what it was like to be "aware" like >> > he was before the electroconvulsive therapy. Still, he did a good job >> > with his first autobiography in presenting what he may have "seen" and >> > made it useful when he brought back it into the ghost of reason for >> > the rest of us. >> > >> > One cannot live in DQ alone. It can be dark. Be careful if you >> > decide to go there, it is no fantasy story. It is not just a state of >> > mind. Best to stay in this comfortable world of knowledge and not >> > tempt those boundaries. >> > >> > Cheers, >> > Mark >> > >> > On 6/19/12, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi Joe, >> >> >> >> Is DQ dark night??? Or is dark night the pointless suffering in a >> >> world >> >> filled with attachment to violent (false) static patterns and a false >> >> sense >> >> of control? Maybe it is the confusion that seems darkest before the >> >> dawn? >> >> Fear of letting go? Why? No guarantees? Lost expectations? Why chaos >> >> and >> >> not fear-free Oneness? Fear of there being nothing to know and no one >> >> to >> >> know it. >> >> >> >> >> >> Marsha >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Jun 19, 2012, at 2:38 PM, Joseph Maurer <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >>> Hi MarshaV and All, >> >>> >> >>> DQ is Dark Night. Seemingly nothing, since is declared to be >> >>> indefinable! >> >>> DQ is not nothing! Comforting emotion makes my hair stand on end like >> >>> a >> >>> madman. I feel so terribly alone. The wonder of wonders is that DQ >> >>> can >> >>> stand alone begging SQ for boundaries. The response to DQ only is: >> >>> Are >> >>> you >> >>> nuts? What are you talking about? Oh shit! And away we go! >> >>> >> >>> Joe >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On 6/19/12 1:04 AM, "MarshaV" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> Dark night stuff cannot be very pleasant and I wonder if it might >> >>>> help to >> >>>> make >> >>>> it a topic. It is a common experience in many of the strains of >> >>>> perennial >> >>>> philosophy. 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