Thanks Ant, I appreciated being in agreement with your point-of-view.
Marsha On Jun 21, 2012, at 10:07 AM, Ant McWatt <[email protected]> wrote: > > Good point, Marsha. I was waiting for someone to say that! > > Best wishes, > > Ant > > ---------------------------------------- > > Maraha V stated June 21st: > > > Dynamic Quality isn't any thing. It isn't 'dark night', or chaos; it is > unpatterned; it is indivisible, undefinable and unknowable. I would imagine > that there might be different responses in relationship to such experiences, > and a dark night funk might be one of them, but not necessarily. Wouldn't it > depend on one's static pattern history and the dynamics of the event(s)? A > monk having spent a lifetime in a monastery might react with AHA! Someone > from a hyper-rational environment might react with a OMG! > > Marsha > > >> On Jun 20, 2012, at 5:13 PM, 118 <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Pure DQ is dark night. Just look at what happened to Pirsig that >>> required his brain to be rebooted! Pretty dark indeed, for that was >>> severe treatment as he says in ZAMM. He lost his personality, and had >>> only some vague memories and some writing to go by to discover who he >>> was. Must have been pretty disturbing. Even in Lila he treats his >>> personality from before as a third person. He states that he had to >>> try to analyze a romantic view with a classical view. >>> >>> He is not the only one this happened to through the ages. It is a >>> personal time when nothing makes sense, and one is lost. Some >>> describe this as extreme temptation (see Buddha). Then hopefully >>> there is rebirth and a new view. Pirsig had a bit of this, but >>> unfortunately he cannot remember what it was like to be "aware" like >>> he was before the electroconvulsive therapy. Still, he did a good job >>> with his first autobiography in presenting what he may have "seen" and >>> made it useful when he brought back it into the ghost of reason for >>> the rest of us. >>> >>> One cannot live in DQ alone. It can be dark. Be careful if you >>> decide to go there, it is no fantasy story. It is not just a state of >>> mind. Best to stay in this comfortable world of knowledge and not >>> tempt those boundaries. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Mark >>> >>> On 6/19/12, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Joe, >>>> >>>> Is DQ dark night??? Or is dark night the pointless suffering in a world >>>> filled with attachment to violent (false) static patterns and a false sense >>>> of control? Maybe it is the confusion that seems darkest before the dawn? >>>> Fear of letting go? Why? No guarantees? Lost expectations? Why chaos and >>>> not fear-free Oneness? Fear of there being nothing to know and no one to >>>> know it. >>>> >>>> >>>> Marsha >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jun 19, 2012, at 2:38 PM, Joseph Maurer <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi MarshaV and All, >>>>> >>>>> DQ is Dark Night. Seemingly nothing, since is declared to be >>>>> indefinable! >>>>> DQ is not nothing! Comforting emotion makes my hair stand on end like a >>>>> madman. I feel so terribly alone. The wonder of wonders is that DQ can >>>>> stand alone begging SQ for boundaries. The response to DQ only is: Are >>>>> you >>>>> nuts? What are you talking about? Oh shit! And away we go! >>>>> >>>>> Joe >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 6/19/12 1:04 AM, "MarshaV" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dark night stuff cannot be very pleasant and I wonder if it might help to >>>>>> make >>>>>> it a topic. It is a common experience in many of the strains of >>>>>> perennial >>>>>> philosophy. Or maybe just doing some reading on the subject can help. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>> Archives: >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>> >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
