Joe & Mark, Dynamic Quality isn't any thing. It isn't 'dark night', or chaos; it is unpatterned; it is indivisible, undefinable and unknowable. I would imagine that there might be different responses in relationship to such experiences, and a dark night funk might be one of them, but not necessarily. Wouldn't it depend on one's static pattern history and the dynamics of the event(s)? A monk having spent a lifetime in a monastery might react with AHA! Someone from a hyper-rational environment might react with a OMG!
Marsha On Jun 20, 2012, at 5:13 PM, 118 <[email protected]> wrote: > Pure DQ is dark night. Just look at what happened to Pirsig that > required his brain to be rebooted! Pretty dark indeed, for that was > severe treatment as he says in ZAMM. He lost his personality, and had > only some vague memories and some writing to go by to discover who he > was. Must have been pretty disturbing. Even in Lila he treats his > personality from before as a third person. He states that he had to > try to analyze a romantic view with a classical view. > > He is not the only one this happened to through the ages. It is a > personal time when nothing makes sense, and one is lost. Some > describe this as extreme temptation (see Buddha). Then hopefully > there is rebirth and a new view. Pirsig had a bit of this, but > unfortunately he cannot remember what it was like to be "aware" like > he was before the electroconvulsive therapy. Still, he did a good job > with his first autobiography in presenting what he may have "seen" and > made it useful when he brought back it into the ghost of reason for > the rest of us. > > One cannot live in DQ alone. It can be dark. Be careful if you > decide to go there, it is no fantasy story. It is not just a state of > mind. Best to stay in this comfortable world of knowledge and not > tempt those boundaries. > > Cheers, > Mark > > On 6/19/12, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hi Joe, >> >> Is DQ dark night??? Or is dark night the pointless suffering in a world >> filled with attachment to violent (false) static patterns and a false sense >> of control? Maybe it is the confusion that seems darkest before the dawn? >> Fear of letting go? Why? No guarantees? Lost expectations? Why chaos and >> not fear-free Oneness? Fear of there being nothing to know and no one to >> know it. >> >> >> Marsha >> >> >> >> >> >> On Jun 19, 2012, at 2:38 PM, Joseph Maurer <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi MarshaV and All, >>> >>> DQ is Dark Night. Seemingly nothing, since is declared to be >>> indefinable! >>> DQ is not nothing! Comforting emotion makes my hair stand on end like a >>> madman. I feel so terribly alone. The wonder of wonders is that DQ can >>> stand alone begging SQ for boundaries. The response to DQ only is: Are >>> you >>> nuts? What are you talking about? Oh shit! And away we go! >>> >>> Joe >>> >>> >>> On 6/19/12 1:04 AM, "MarshaV" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Dark night stuff cannot be very pleasant and I wonder if it might help to >>>> make >>>> it a topic. It is a common experience in many of the strains of >>>> perennial >>>> philosophy. Or maybe just doing some reading on the subject can help. >>> >>> >>> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
