Hi Jan Anders, You can only be sure when you make such an agreement with yourself. Certainty comes from stabile expectations. If you infer that I may be a threat, then I am that threat to you. I am not sure what kind of abuse I could possibly inflict. This is a forum of ideas, nothing more. Nobody should have a vested interest in MOQ unless they are demanding a following, or are driven by pride where they must be seen as excellent. I am not.
I am not sure what intentions you are concerned about. I write in good faith what I currently believe to be an appropriate manner of using Quality to approach my existence. This forum concerns a metaphysical description of a manner of awareness which is based on Quality. I have no hidden agenda. Probably most of what I write has no relevance to most. However, there may be one who actually tunes in. I hope for that one. I am not trying to convince anybody of anything. I am not a leader, or any kind of self appointed guru. I am not trying to build a church. I have changed my view many times during my stay here in discuss. If you knew me you would be aware that I am a kind person. I do not like to see people suffer. Words are just words. They are thing we exchange such that what one feels inside can be felt by another. It appears that my manner of writing is insufficient, and I am always trying to improve. However, my writing is far from threatening. Just take my writing as the manner in which I see things. You do not have to agree or disagree. I am interested in how you see things. I value a discussion that is filled with possibilities. I use these possibilities to further my exploration. As you may find, often I use rhetoric to be provocative. I like to shake things up to see what comes out. Often the best ideas come from a debate. I am not afraid to be honest and engage in a debate. I have nothing to lose. I mean you no harm. Cheers, Mark On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 2:41 AM, Jan Anders Andersson <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Mark > > It is easier to read when you write in a friendly tone. I appreciate that. > > But how can I be sure about your intentions? > > "L'enfer est plein de bonnes volontés et désirs." > > Jan Anders > > > 25 aug 2012 kl. 07.18 skrev 118: > >> Hi You, >> >> Yes, of course it is real, we create it. Meaning is something that we >> continuously create. I suppose that if none of that is real, then >> neither are we. Hypothetically speaking of course... >> >> Namaste, >> >> Mark >> >> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Jan Anders Andersson >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Hi All >>> >>> I think Value is real, the meaning of a word also. If it wasn't, why choose >>> one word instead of another, why argue at all? >>> >>> Bla bla bla and so on, oops, forget that hypothetical nonsense >>> >>> Jan Anders >>> >>> >>> 22 aug 2012 kl. 18:53 skrev X Acto <[email protected]>: >>> >>>>> dmb says of Marsha: >>>>> In short, it's contradictory in the extreme. >>>> >>>> Marsha replies: >>>> The poet Baudelaire said that “true genius is the ability to hold two >>>> contradictory thoughts simultaneously without losing your mind.” >>>> >>>> Ron expands apon his meaning: >>>> For value to exist meaning must exist. >>>> Therefore what Baudelaire is saying is that a true genius can apprehend >>>> meaninglessness intellectually >>>> and not be disturbed by it. It's another way of pointing to empirical >>>> immediate experience to determine >>>> meaning and avoiding rational abstractions. >>>> >>>> People don't act meaninglessly or do things for meaningless reasons, that >>>> they act on anything >>>> is that it holds value, it holds meaning, or else why avoid an open well >>>> when it would be just >>>> as good to fall in? the fact that some >>>> patterns are better than others means that some patterns are more >>>> meaningful than others, some >>>> are more valuable than others and some are therefore more "true" than >>>> others. >>>> >>>> I would think on a forum dedicated to Bob Pirsigs MoQ one would not have >>>> to preface >>>> every use of the word "truth" with "provisional" or "conditional" because >>>> no one who >>>> subscribes to this forum needs to be constantly reminded that "truth" is >>>> not an abstract >>>> absolute! or we would not be here! how about a show of hands, exactly who >>>> DOES think truth is absolute? anyone? anyone at ALL? >>>> >>>> .. >>>> >>>> . >>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>> Archives: >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
