Hi Marsha, I am unwilling to view DQ as nothing. Indefinable is not in the same ballpark as nothing. In DQ/SQ metaphysics words are SQ. DQ is experience prior to words. I guess you can call DQ individualized, but when logic becomes nothing communication is irrelevant. I prefer to embrace evolution so that logic has meaning. This is not that. I agree, though, that individuality is a nightmare. I am alone!
Joe On 8/27/12 12:34 PM, "MarshaV" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hi Joe, > > hypothetic (adjective)l: supposed but not neccesarily real or true > > sq = pattern, which I prefer to consider hypothetical > > > > I experienced DQ as nothing at all; I experience sq patterns as repetitive > processes, conditionally co-dependent, impermanent and ever-changing, that > pragmatically tend to persist and change within a stable, predictable pattern. > > > View 1.) MoQ = Reality = Value(DQ/sq) > View 2.) MoQ = theory, intellectual static pattern of value > > > Marsha > > > > > On Aug 27, 2012, at 3:01 PM, Joseph Maurer wrote: > >> Hi Marsha, >> >> Hypothesis: an unproved scientific conclusion drawn from known facts and >> used as a basis for further investigation or experimentation. >> >> DQ is indefinable and not subject to any proof by logical investigation. >> >> With the conception of DQ/SQ metaphysics, Pirsig redefines "hypothesis". >> Quality is converted from an adjective to an indefinable noun. Logic cannot >> verify any definition of quality. >> >> Only metaphysics can identify quality. Knowable experience supplants the >> hypothesis of quality reality. I experience indefinable DQ and definable >> SQ. >> >> Joe >> >> >> On 8/26/12 12:53 AM, "MarshaV" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I prefer to think of objects of knowledge (patterns) as hypothetical. Once >>> one accepts the MoQ's fundamental principal that the world is nothing but >>> Value, then 'expanded rationality' occurs when an individual transforms the >>> natural tendency to reify self and world into the natural tendency to hold >>> all >>> static patterns of value to be hypothetical (supposed but not neccesarily >>> real >>> or true.) By using 'hypothetical' I think there is less of a tendency >>> toward >>> intellectual arrogance. Understanding static (patterned) value as >>> hypothetical acknowledges the incompleteness of what we know and makes room >>> for additional inquiry with new possibilities; it promotes an attitude of >>> fearless curiosity: gumption. It moves one away from thinking of entities >>> as >>> existing inherently and independent of consciousness. >> >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > > ___ > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
