Hi Marsha, Here's my response to a few key points you made..
> And what RMP DOESN'T state is that there are two types of mystics (good and > bad). No, but the MOQ is fundamentally mystic and one of it's main opponents are mystics. The way this issue is solved is by breaking up mysticism in two. One type it supports, the other it does not. The type it supports is that which recognises the value of clear, fixed, metaphysical distinctions. >> "The only person who doesn't pollute the mystic reality of the world with >> fixed metaphysical meanings is a person who hasn't yet been born — and to >> whose birth no thought has been given. The rest of us have to settle for >> being something less pure. Getting drunk and picking up bar-ladies and >> writing metaphysics is a part of life." > > I agree with RMP's comment. That's fascinating. You agree with this comment? Notice how he said "fixed metaphysical meanings"? Not "supposed but not necessarily real or true" or "hypothetical" but "fixed metaphysical meanings"? > "In the MOQ, nothing exists prior to the observation. The observation creates > the intellectual patterns called “observed” and “observer.” Think about it. > How could a subject and object exist in a world where there are no > observations?" (LILA's Child) > > Value comes first; observation would represent what is experienced in the > interaction between value and consciousness. Right. Values then experience. > And I consider observation to be of two types: seeing and knowing. Why break it up? >>> Philosophy/philosophers have not come to any consensus about truth. And >>> you do not have the knowledge that can state what "everybody knows". Do >>> you mean everyone in the past, and everyone in the present and everyone in >>> the future? How could you know that? - I think you have some confusion >>> about the intellectual static pattern named 'truth'; it's a pattern. >> >> I should have said everyone (intellectual) knows what truth is. A truth is >> a high quality intellectual idea which is a pattern yes. One of many >> patterns. > > Yes, the intellectual pattern labeled 'truth' is one of many intellectual > patterns. Agreed. And truth is a label for the best intellectual patterns. >>> I see this as a function of a relationship with consciousness. >> >> The MOQ doesn't start with consciousness. It starts with experience. > > The MoQ's fundamental principle is that the World is nothing but Value. Yes. Value which is experienced. Pure empiricism. Thanks Marsha, -David. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
