Hi dmb,
Thought I should include the expanded entries for 'passion'.
On Oct 16, 2012, at 2:25 PM, david buchanan wrote:
>
>
> Pirsig wrote:
> “It’s been necessary since before the time of Socrates to reject the
> passions, the emotions, in order to free the rational mind for an
> understanding of nature’s order which was as yet unknown. Now it’s time to
> further an understanding of nature’s order by reassimilating those passions
> which were originally fled from. The passions, the emotions, the affective
> domain of man’s consciousness, are a part of nature’s order too. The central
> part.” — Robert Pirsig, Zen and the Art
>
> Marsha said (to Ron):
> Isn't "passion" a loaded concept? I have never liked the use of the word.
> ...But while rejecting "passion," I agree that all static quality is a
> construct from the "affective domain of man’s consciousness".
>
>
> dmb says:
> Apparently, you don't understand what Pirsig is saying. Your comment rejects
> and accepts the same idea at the same time. Your comment is contradictory
> nonsense. Since "the passions" and "the emotions" are just names for the
> "affective domain", it makes no sense at all to reject the former and accept
> the latter.
>
> As is often the case, your assertion can be defeated by simply quoting from
> the dictionary.
>
> affect 3 |ˈafekt; əˈfekt|noun Psychologyemotion or desire, esp. as
> influencing behavior or action. See note at emotion .
> "Affect is a formal psychological term that refers to an observed emotional
> state."
>
> THE RIGHT WORDA feeling can be almost any subjective reaction or
> state—pleasant or unpleasant, strong or mild, positive or negative—that is
> characterized by an emotional response (: a feeling of insecurity;: a feeling
> of pleasure).An emotion is a very intense feeling, which often involves a
> physical as well as a mental response and implies outward expression or
> agitation (: to be overcome with emotion).Passion suggests a powerful or
> overwhelming emotion, with connotations of sexual love (: their passion
> remained undiminished after 30 years of marriage) or intense anger (: a
> passion for revenge).
Nobody was being specific to what sense either 'passion' or 'affective' was
being used, but I find there are some major differences in the two definitions.
affective:
adjective
1. of, caused by, or expressing emotion or feeling; emotional.
2. causing emotion or feeling.
passion:
noun
1. any powerful or compelling emotion or feeling, as love orhate.
2. strong amorous feeling or desire; love; ardor.
3. strong sexual desire; lust.
4. an instance or experience of strong love or sexual desire.
5. a person toward whom one feels strong love or sexual desire.
6. a strong or extravagant fondness, enthusiasm, or desire for anything: a
passion for music.
7. the object of such a fondness or desire: Accuracy became a passion with him.
8. an outburst of strong emotion or feeling: He suddenly broke into a passion
of bitter words.
9. violent anger.
10. the state of being acted upon or affected by something external, especially
something alien to one's nature or one's customary behavior ( contrasted with
action).
11. ( often initial capital letter ) Theology .
a. the sufferings of Christ on the cross or His
sufferings subsequent to the Last Supper.
b. the narrative of Christ's sufferings as recorded in the Gospels.
12. Archaic . the sufferings of a martyr.
Marsha
>
> Your assertion can also be defeated by quoting from an ordinary encyclopedia.
>
> Affect (psychology)"Affective" redirects here. For other uses, see Affect
> (disambiguation).Affect refers to the experience of feeling or emotion.[1]
> Affect is a key part of the process of an organism's interaction with
> stimuli. The word also refers sometimes to affect display, which is "a
> facial, vocal, or gestural behavior that serves as an indicator of affect"
> (APA 2006).
> The affective domain represents one of the three divisions described in
> modern psychology: the cognitive, the conative, and the affective.
> Classically, these divisions have also been referred to as the "ABC of
> psychology", in that case using the terms "affect", "behavior", and
> "cognition". In certain views, the conative may be considered as a part of
> the affective,[2] or the affective as a part of the cognitive.[3]
>
>
>
> Here's another word you might want to learn, Marsha. Troll (Internet). In
> Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or
> off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or
> blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response
> or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.
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