Hi dmb,
On Oct 16, 2012, at 2:25 PM, david buchanan wrote: > > > Pirsig wrote: > “It’s been necessary since before the time of Socrates to reject the > passions, the emotions, in order to free the rational mind for an > understanding of nature’s order which was as yet unknown. Now it’s time to > further an understanding of nature’s order by reassimilating those passions > which were originally fled from. The passions, the emotions, the affective > domain of man’s consciousness, are a part of nature’s order too. The central > part.” — Robert Pirsig, Zen and the Art > > Marsha said (to Ron): > Isn't "passion" a loaded concept? I have never liked the use of the word. > ...But while rejecting "passion," I agree that all static quality is a > construct from the "affective domain of man’s consciousness". > > > dmb says: > Apparently, you don't understand what Pirsig is saying. Your comment rejects > and accepts the same idea at the same time. Your comment is contradictory > nonsense. Since "the passions" and "the emotions" are just names for the > "affective domain", it makes no sense at all to reject the former and accept > the latter. > > As is often the case, your assertion can be defeated by simply quoting from > the dictionary. > > affect 3 |ˈafekt; əˈfekt|noun Psychologyemotion or desire, esp. as > influencing behavior or action. See note at emotion . > "Affect is a formal psychological term that refers to an observed emotional > state." > > THE RIGHT WORDA feeling can be almost any subjective reaction or > state—pleasant or unpleasant, strong or mild, positive or negative—that is > characterized by an emotional response (: a feeling of insecurity;: a feeling > of pleasure).An emotion is a very intense feeling, which often involves a > physical as well as a mental response and implies outward expression or > agitation (: to be overcome with emotion).Passion suggests a powerful or > overwhelming emotion, with connotations of sexual love (: their passion > remained undiminished after 30 years of marriage) or intense anger (: a > passion for revenge). Nobody was being specific to what sense either 'passion' or 'affective' was being used, but I find there are some major differences in the two definitions. affective: adjective 1. of, caused by, or expressing emotion or feeling; emotional. 2. causing emotion or feeling. passion: noun 1. any powerful or compelling emotion or feeling, as love orhate. 2. strong amorous feeling or desire; love; ardor. 3. strong sexual desire; lust. 4. an instance or experience of strong love or sexual desire. 5. a person toward whom one feels strong love or sexual desire. Marsha > > Your assertion can also be defeated by quoting from an ordinary encyclopedia. > > Affect (psychology)"Affective" redirects here. For other uses, see Affect > (disambiguation).Affect refers to the experience of feeling or emotion.[1] > Affect is a key part of the process of an organism's interaction with > stimuli. The word also refers sometimes to affect display, which is "a > facial, vocal, or gestural behavior that serves as an indicator of affect" > (APA 2006). > The affective domain represents one of the three divisions described in > modern psychology: the cognitive, the conative, and the affective. > Classically, these divisions have also been referred to as the "ABC of > psychology", in that case using the terms "affect", "behavior", and > "cognition". In certain views, the conative may be considered as a part of > the affective,[2] or the affective as a part of the cognitive.[3] > > > > Here's another word you might want to learn, Marsha. Troll (Internet). In > Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or > off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or > blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response > or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion. ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
