dmb, I much prefer caring: caring with head, hand and heart.
Marsha On Oct 16, 2012, at 4:35 PM, MarshaV wrote: > > Hi dmb, > > Thought I should include the expanded entries for 'passion'. > > > > > On Oct 16, 2012, at 2:25 PM, david buchanan wrote: > >> >> >> Pirsig wrote: >> “It’s been necessary since before the time of Socrates to reject the >> passions, the emotions, in order to free the rational mind for an >> understanding of nature’s order which was as yet unknown. Now it’s time to >> further an understanding of nature’s order by reassimilating those passions >> which were originally fled from. The passions, the emotions, the affective >> domain of man’s consciousness, are a part of nature’s order too. The central >> part.” — Robert Pirsig, Zen and the Art >> >> Marsha said (to Ron): >> Isn't "passion" a loaded concept? I have never liked the use of the word. >> ...But while rejecting "passion," I agree that all static quality is a >> construct from the "affective domain of man’s consciousness". >> >> >> dmb says: >> Apparently, you don't understand what Pirsig is saying. Your comment rejects >> and accepts the same idea at the same time. Your comment is contradictory >> nonsense. Since "the passions" and "the emotions" are just names for the >> "affective domain", it makes no sense at all to reject the former and accept >> the latter. >> >> As is often the case, your assertion can be defeated by simply quoting from >> the dictionary. >> >> affect 3 |ˈafekt; əˈfekt|noun Psychologyemotion or desire, esp. as >> influencing behavior or action. See note at emotion . >> "Affect is a formal psychological term that refers to an observed emotional >> state." >> >> THE RIGHT WORDA feeling can be almost any subjective reaction or >> state—pleasant or unpleasant, strong or mild, positive or negative—that is >> characterized by an emotional response (: a feeling of insecurity;: a >> feeling of pleasure).An emotion is a very intense feeling, which often >> involves a physical as well as a mental response and implies outward >> expression or agitation (: to be overcome with emotion).Passion suggests a >> powerful or overwhelming emotion, with connotations of sexual love (: their >> passion remained undiminished after 30 years of marriage) or intense anger >> (: a passion for revenge). > > > Nobody was being specific to what sense either 'passion' or 'affective' was > being used, but I find there are some major differences in the two > definitions. > > affective: > adjective > 1. of, caused by, or expressing emotion or feeling; emotional. > 2. causing emotion or feeling. > > > passion: > noun > 1. any powerful or compelling emotion or feeling, as love orhate. > 2. strong amorous feeling or desire; love; ardor. > 3. strong sexual desire; lust. > 4. an instance or experience of strong love or sexual desire. > 5. a person toward whom one feels strong love or sexual desire. > 6. a strong or extravagant fondness, enthusiasm, or desire for anything: a > passion for music. > 7. the object of such a fondness or desire: Accuracy became a passion with > him. > 8. an outburst of strong emotion or feeling: He suddenly broke into a passion > of bitter words. > 9. violent anger. > 10. the state of being acted upon or affected by something external, > especially something alien to one's nature or one's customary behavior ( > contrasted with action). > 11. ( often initial capital letter ) Theology . > a. the sufferings of Christ on the cross or His > sufferings subsequent to the Last Supper. > b. the narrative of Christ's sufferings as recorded in the Gospels. > 12. Archaic . the sufferings of a martyr. > > Marsha > > > > > > >> >> Your assertion can also be defeated by quoting from an ordinary encyclopedia. >> >> Affect (psychology)"Affective" redirects here. For other uses, see Affect >> (disambiguation).Affect refers to the experience of feeling or emotion.[1] >> Affect is a key part of the process of an organism's interaction with >> stimuli. The word also refers sometimes to affect display, which is "a >> facial, vocal, or gestural behavior that serves as an indicator of affect" >> (APA 2006). >> The affective domain represents one of the three divisions described in >> modern psychology: the cognitive, the conative, and the affective. >> Classically, these divisions have also been referred to as the "ABC of >> psychology", in that case using the terms "affect", "behavior", and >> "cognition". In certain views, the conative may be considered as a part of >> the affective,[2] or the affective as a part of the cognitive.[3] >> >> >> >> Here's another word you might want to learn, Marsha. Troll (Internet). 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