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Hi David and all > Pirsig wrote: > “It’s been necessary since before the time of Socrates to reject the > passions, the emotions, in order to free the rational mind for an > understanding of nature’s order which was as yet unknown. Now it’s time to > further an understanding of nature’s order by reassimilating those passions > which were originally fled from. The passions, the emotions, the affective > domain of man’s consciousness, are a part of nature’s order too. The central > part.” — Robert Pirsig, Zen and the Art The difference between rationality and the kind of reason RMP call central is like the difference between black/white and color TV. Rationality is measurable and exact while colors are many and usually a blend of yellow, magenta and turquise. If Romney sees everything in black and white, how can Obama convince him about the advantages of watching a TV show in color? It sounds like trying to tell by radio an alien in the space the difference between left and right. Black, white, shadows and colors are examples of static quality patterns we know more or less about. Behind all we know, behind all we can observe is something that makes the observable possible. There are conditions behind every single change, conditions that separates the possible from the impossible. All our experience is from possible events. We will never experience something impossible. This is the reason behind the Periodic Table. These conditions that separates the possible from the impossible doesn't change, they're always the same, or it would be something behind these conditions that "dictates" the change. Thus, the conditions that we can call dynamic quality, are timeless, while anything real that is under change has some kind of time, it is more or less of static quality. We can't directly observe the conditions but we experience the value of what is changed. The value itself comes from its size and form, which also are values but of another kind. There are three independent kinds of conditions that are experienced and present simultaneously and permanently. Conditions concerning size values, form values and relative values, relative to other values. Every change, every process in change and motion, is undergoing a change in one or more of these three "qualitative" sides of the conditions that separates the possible from the impossible. It can grow or shrink, change its form, crack or melt for ex, and it can be revalued just by relating it to something else. Every change, every process is permanently affected by these conditions. At the inorganic level, it is pretty clear that every single particle must follow some kind of schedule to continue to exist. The maths behind them all have a time factor. In some way every tiny bit of a particle, "know" how to act in its process of existence. Some kind of feedback between the static quality and the dynamic quality is there. A very basic form of permanent experience from value. That is why we can say that everything is basically value. But it is also energy, form and related to other values. At the biological level, complicated chemical structures act in processes which are much more easy for us to observe beacuse they are bigger. The difference between the inorganic level and the organic levels is just that organic structures are changing themselves and have some kind of program for this change where it is using the inorganic matter but for its own purpose. Without this program we would just call it some piece of dead shit. Alive shit is following the same kind of conditions that separates the possible form the possible regarding size, form and value. The same mathematical conditions are present in the small as in the big world. Biological science is much about how the feedback is working in a cell to maintain its own process and stay "alive". This feedback experience is based on signal systems that must work for the process to be able to continue. To uphold a possible state. Biological processes that doesn't fit in one or more of the conditions regarding mass, form or relative value are experiencing what we call Death and turns into a blue Parrot. A bird can die from hunger or thirst, an arrow in its heart or just loneliness. At the social level complicated group strategies have evolved which maintains the behaviour of the group. Its wealth, organisation and its impression on its members and enemies. Yes, you are rich and well dressed but can you sing? It is quite interesting to whatch how some leaders explain the conditions for their succesful group strategie, i e political dogma, how it is based on traditions and mystical prophecies from ancient documents instead of science and proven facts. If you buy a pair of shoes and one of your toes is badly hurt by the shoe, bleeding and aching, if you go back to the shoemaker and complain about the shoe and the shoemakers answer is "So what, the other nine toes are getting well aren't they?". I don't think you will buy any shoes from him again. At the intellectual level we have built and are building concepts and models that helps us to communicate and act consciously to maintain our processes. And some of us are aware that we receive signals from our biological level about the state of our biology. We are experiencing values about the state of our body, somethings trying to tell what is possible or not, what's better and worse for our physical status. We have emotions and passions and the most general emotion we are looking for is like "Excellence", Best buy and True Love. Betterness in a box. Our biological constitution is already prepared for emotions but not until we know how they work they will problematic in our search for the ultimate reasonable rationality. We also have some social experience which tells us about decency and love for example. I love whatching Opera. It makes me laugh at all these lies. No, not news. The passions, the emotions, the affective domian of man's consciousness are already at hand at all the four levels: We have feelings for weight, overload and physical pressure. Most of you have some references for that kind. Curiosness.. We have feelings for order and disorder, friction and misplaced parts in a system, unbalance etc. Reason... We have feelings for if something or someone is handy or not handy to a certain situation. Love and antipathy. It ends with a list of 42 pinpoints with an infinite number of variations in between. Balance is the object for reaching excellence. I think you can fill in the rest by yourself. 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