Thanks for that Dave - I was wondering why Paco and John were confused
about what Pirsig had to say about religion.
Horse
On 23/01/2013 17:51, david buchanan wrote:
"Phaedrus saw nothing wrong with this ritualistic religion as long as the rituals
are seen as merely a static portrayal of Dynamic Quality, a sign-post which allows
socially pattern-dominated people to see Dynamic Quality. The danger has always been that
the rituals, the static patterns, are mistaken for what they merely represent and are
allowed to destroy the Dynamic Quality they were originally intended to preserve."
(Lila, p.385)
"The MOQ associates religious mysticism with Dynamic Quality but it would certainly
be a mistake to think that the MOQ endorses the static beliefs of any particular
religious sect. Phaedrus thought sectarian religion was a static social fallout from
Dynamic Quality and that while some sects had fallen less than others, none of them told
the whole truth." (Lila, p.376)
".., mystics and priests tend to have a cat-and-dog coexistence within almost every
religious organization. Both groups need each other but neither group likes the other at
all. There's an adage that, 'Nothing disturbs a bishop quite so much as the presence of a
saint in the parish.' It was one of Phaedrus' favorites. The saint's Dynamic
understanding makes him unpredictable and uncontrollable, but the bishop's got a whole
calandar of static ceremonies to attend to;... In all religions bishops tend to gild
Dynamic Quality with all sorts of static interpretations because their cultures require
it. But these interpretations become like golden vines that cling to a tree, shut out its
sunlight and eventually strangle it." (Lila, p.377)
Paco said:
As a Roman Catholic, I say Dynamic Quality is experienced in sacramental liturgy,
participation in mystery made present, especially of the Eucharist, and in the
liturgy/ritual of meditation-contemplation. Beyond the realm of intellectual values is
the realm of transcendence. Be still and know Dynamic Quality. "Be still and know
that I am God." The experience is transformative of the S/self.
May Yahweh bless you and keep you!
May Yahweh let his face shine on you, and be gracious to you!
May Yahweh look kindly on you, and give you his peace! (Num. 6:24-26)
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John said:
In their emphasis on intellectual constructs, contributors to this forum often
seem unaware of the transcendent. You have offered suggestions of how people
may communicate about their experience of the indefinable Dynamic Quality. The
way many of us communicate about the indefinable and ineffable is through the
symbolic language of worship and liturgy. Dynamic Quality bears an uncanny
resemblance in many ways to the reality which manifests itself to us in the
experience of worship. God's Peace be with you all.
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