I dont think they were confused about what Pirsig said, I think they were asking why some here arent so dynamic.
critically speaking Atleast thats what I got . Horse <[email protected]> wrote: >Thanks for that Dave - I was wondering why Paco and John were confused >about what Pirsig had to say about religion. > >Horse > > >On 23/01/2013 17:51, david buchanan wrote: >> "Phaedrus saw nothing wrong with this ritualistic religion as long as the >> rituals are seen as merely a static portrayal of Dynamic Quality, a >> sign-post which allows socially pattern-dominated people to see Dynamic >> Quality. The danger has always been that the rituals, the static patterns, >> are mistaken for what they merely represent and are allowed to destroy the >> Dynamic Quality they were originally intended to preserve." (Lila, p.385) >> >> "The MOQ associates religious mysticism with Dynamic Quality but it would >> certainly be a mistake to think that the MOQ endorses the static beliefs of >> any particular religious sect. Phaedrus thought sectarian religion was a >> static social fallout from Dynamic Quality and that while some sects had >> fallen less than others, none of them told the whole truth." (Lila, p.376) >> >> ".., mystics and priests tend to have a cat-and-dog coexistence within >> almost every religious organization. Both groups need each other but neither >> group likes the other at all. There's an adage that, 'Nothing disturbs a >> bishop quite so much as the presence of a saint in the parish.' It was one >> of Phaedrus' favorites. The saint's Dynamic understanding makes him >> unpredictable and uncontrollable, but the bishop's got a whole calandar of >> static ceremonies to attend to;... In all religions bishops tend to gild >> Dynamic Quality with all sorts of static interpretations because their >> cultures require it. But these interpretations become like golden vines that >> cling to a tree, shut out its sunlight and eventually strangle it." (Lila, >> p.377) >> >> >> >> >> >> Paco said: >> As a Roman Catholic, I say Dynamic Quality is experienced in sacramental >> liturgy, participation in mystery made present, especially of the Eucharist, >> and in the liturgy/ritual of meditation-contemplation. Beyond the realm of >> intellectual values is the realm of transcendence. Be still and know Dynamic >> Quality. "Be still and know that I am God." The experience is transformative >> of the S/self. >> >> May Yahweh bless you and keep you! >> May Yahweh let his face shine on you, and be gracious to you! >> May Yahweh look kindly on you, and give you his peace! (Num. 6:24-26) >> ________________________________ >> >> >> John said: >> In their emphasis on intellectual constructs, contributors to this forum >> often seem unaware of the transcendent. You have offered suggestions of how >> people may communicate about their experience of the indefinable Dynamic >> Quality. The way many of us communicate about the indefinable and ineffable >> is through the symbolic language of worship and liturgy. Dynamic Quality >> bears an uncanny resemblance in many ways to the reality which manifests >> itself to us in the experience of worship. God's Peace be with you all. >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> > >-- > >"Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production >deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." >— Frank Zappa > >Moq_Discuss mailing list >Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >Archives: >http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
