9 mar 2013 kl. 19:35 Khoo Hock Aun wrote:
> Jan Anders, > > Khoo: > Quite frankly, I dont understand what you are talking about : Well, in that case and as I can see that you have snipped out the most important part of my answer, the qoute from Lila, I'll just give you this little advice: Take your copy of Lila. Read the title on the cover. It says "Lila. An inquiry into morals." Notice the last little letter, it's an s. This little letter is what it is all about. It means that there are not one Single moral but many. Dynamic quality, value, evolutionary Ethics, experience or whatever we might call it is different, all the time. Quality is what makes difference to the world of static patterns. For example, Quality starts a fire in the mountains of Colorado because inorganically it is better no matter what the biological or social values would prefer, This is how the "natural forces" can come loose and cause massive destruction. We call this "low dynamic quality" because it destroys patterns at higher levels. Economic values are destroyed by forces of "lower" nature. There are so many examples on Youtube: just search for the words crash and motorcycle. There are hundreds of examples of a person on a motorcycle. It is obvious that many of them think that this is a toy because of undeveloped social and intellectual moral and then they "drive to Hell", this is just another example of "low dynamic quality", the driver will have a "bad" experience...don't you think? The spectator might laugh but it is bad driving, bad motorcycle maintenance. Jan Anders > > Jan Anders: >> Just as RMP put it: "... Quality is a morality." (DQ) which gives a moral >> order to reality (SQ). We don't know this morality, what we know is the >> results from it, so far. >> This morality lead the evolution of stable patterns into the four levels >> while the unstable low quality patterns goes into the recycle bin: >> RMP is here using quality, moral and ethics alternately for Dynamic Quality. > > Khoo: > Do you mean to say that Dynamic Quality has synonyms ? If the low > quality patterns go into the recycle bin, what becomes of them ? Do > they turn back into DQ ? > > Jan-Anders: >> In the video case it was an example on how a forklift driver picks up a coin >> by the left 30 ft tall massive steel fork from the ground and places the >> coin into a bottle. I commented the event of using a million dollar machine >> to put a coin into a bottle when it must be much cheaper to do it by hand. >> Just anyone could do that by one hand. > > Khoo: > It would not be cheaper to do it by hand if the coin were radioactive > plutonium you want to insert into a lead container from a safe > distance. Your perspective of cost changes with the circumstances. If > the forklift driver can save you your life or that of a whole city, > would not that be of value ? > > Jan Anders: >> A million dollar truck costs about 1000 dollar per day in economical terms >> which is about 100 dollar per hour. If you are spending hours to learn how >> to pick up coins from the ground to that cost you're sitting on a hot "deal" >> instead of a hot stove. Sooner or later someone will tell you that this is >> bad use of economic resources, bad business because I think it is impossible >> to get back that money by selling ads on Youtube. > > Khoo: > I think the engineers in Curiosity mission control find it worth their > while to spend months and years practicising picking up coins from the > Martian floor. Thats a real hot deal worth Curiosity's weight in gold. > Why let someone tell you any business idea is a bad idea ? Do you know > how many great business ideas came out of the waste bag of bad ideas? > Let the test be the market place. Your opinion doesnt count like > Thomas Watson, Chairman of IBM, 1943 who said " I think there is a > world market for maybe five computers, or the guy who wrote the memo > in 1876 This 'telephone' has too many shortcomings to be seriously > considered as a means of communication. The device is inherently of no > value to us." > > > Jan Anders: >> The economic world is filled to the top with "hot stove deals" that should >> force people to jump off the stove in time instead of bringing their >> enterprise into bankruptcy. Anyone with an MBA has learned the morality in >> economics and know what I am talking about. Nevertheless are the world >> filled with bad businesses. Why? My guess is that they haven't also read and >> understood ZAMM, Lila and MALC thoroughly. > > > Khoo: > Me thinks you make way too sweeping a statement about MBA-holders and > morality. MBA programmes today are usually value-free templates for > training operators of business to maximise shareholder value in terms > of money. The motivation is narrow minded greed, the bigger paycheck > with bonuses so that the owners of business can have a better return > for their investment at the expense of externalities. Tell me where is > the morality in that ? > > On the other hand, there are no "good" businesses nor "bad" > businesses, as there is no "good" life or "bad" life. A business > thrives as long as it can sustain itself, just as a life would, and > goes under when it becomes unsustainable, just as a life does. There > are social enteprises and NFPs that are run as businesses, but their > value systems extend beyond narrow shareholder interests. A reading of > ZAMM and LILA will find that businesses are self-preserving entities > that feed on resources just as any other biological system operates. > Unless it has internalised the cost of natural capital the business > profits at the expense of the world. > > Jan Anders: >> There is also this eternal freedom to act and behave stupid. > > Khoo: > Yet the entrepreneur risks bankruptcy regularly to to change the world > by thinking up ideas "so stupid" that little chance is given him to > succeed. As De Bono once said to a class which I attended and I > paraphrase "dont judge an idea by its stupidity value, judge it by > where that idea takes you". If you have not factored in lateral > movement , I dont know how you can even begin to grasp the kind of > dynamic quality real entrepreneurs display everyday they wake up > with: "what is the one thing I can do today that will change the > world" ? > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
