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11 mar 2013 kl. 09.52 Khoo Hock Aun wrote: > Jan Anders: > > I am not silent about your last question. I asked you if your > structure of values is the same as dynamic quality to which in your > reply you say: > > JAA: >> Your structure of values are not dynamic quality, that is values of static >> quality > > To which I say: > Dynamic Quality is structureless and cannot be qualified as good or > bad, high or low. So there is no such thing as low dynamic quality. If > you knew this, you would not spewing "low dynamic quality all over > your previous posts. I would venture to say in the world of the > Buddhas, in dynamic quality, there is no hot stove problem. How do you > think the Tibetan monks approach their self-immolation ? I think they collect all their food-money to buy a cheap chinese made forklift to repeat this trick on a Tibetan Freak Show. > > > Back to the forklift JAA says: > To the extent his behaviour is controlled by static patterns and to > the extent his behaviour is following dynamic quality, is a question > of freedom. Do you think he is free or not? > > And to that I say: > > So he is free to make his recording. But is his behaviour controlled by static patterns or what? Why is he doing it? Did you understand my question? We are talking about Reason here dear friend. Morals. If there is no moral values, the whole thing gets meaningless. Experience will be just emptiness. No fun at all. Value is different! I think someone else held the camera btw. > Free to demonstrate his skill with the forklift. Someone pays for the truck and it aint him so I wouldn't call it free. > Free to take the range of man-machine capabilities up one notch. Well, I think that those who built the truck and adjusted the regulator system has the chief part in this. Anyone can tap a button. > Free open up the possibilities of what one might do with a forklift. Now, who do you think will pay for the time he spent on learning it? > Free to intersperse the tedium of his day with a little bit of fun If he was working for me I could fire him for fooling around with the machine equipment. > Free to let the rest of the world know about it. Yes, there are a lot of important information on the Tube that must be seen. > He made his choice, and that is a good thing. Yes, there are good things. There are good people and there are flakes. > > I inadverrtantly sent my last response twice and have used up my quota > for the day. So I ask and state for the last and final time: > > Is there such a thing a low dynamic quality ? Where is your insight > into the role that dynamic quality plays in inspiring the fork lift > driver to excellence in his craft and his work and in his space ? > > You label this a waste of time and use one yardstick, that of monetary > value to deem this a useless activity not worthy of being brought to > our attention. That has been your response to the dynamic quality > shown here and to mistakenly characterise it as Pirsig's MOQ. Your > response had been woefully short of understanding what Dynamic Quality > is and how it is experienced. I think you missed reading the part about Celebrity in Lila. You might think his act with the forklift is of high dynamic quality. I don't. Now I'm looking forward to hear from you what Dynamic Quality is and how it is experienced. Jan Anders > > > > On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 4:18 PM, Jan Anders Andersson > <[email protected]> wrote: >> Dear Khoo Hock Aun >> >> I take your silence about my last question about if there is different >> values as that you agree that there is something that we can call betterness >> and therefore also something that we can call badness. If all values, if all >> experience where the same it would be meaningless. If all experience were >> the same the hot stove dilemma would be no problem. >> > . >> >> The interesting thing with the driver of the forklift on the Yutube video >> (http://biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=34305) is that he have a choice, he >> is (was during the recording) free to choose how to use the machine. To the >> extent his behaviour is controlled by static patterns and to the extent his >> behaviour is following dynamic quality, is a question of freedom. Do you >> think he is free or not? >> >> I think he is free. >> >> What say you? >> >> >> 11 mar 2013 kl. 07.33 skrev [email protected]: >> >>> Jan Anders >>> >>> I snip out for brevity and for relevance. In spite of that I have >>> maintained most of your quotes which have yet to answer me my original >>> question to you; is there such a thing as " low dynanic quality". >>> >>> You have come into this conversation with your structure of values. But is >>> that structure Dynamic Quality ? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent by DiGi from my BlackBerry® Smartphone >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] >>> Sender: [email protected]: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 23:12:56 >>> Reply-To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [MD] Quality forklift performance >>> >>> [email protected]> >>> From: Jan-Anders Andersson <[email protected]> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; >>> charset=us-ascii >>> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (10B146) >>> In-Reply-To: >>> <caboneoo52-rxjy4narwbq5khnbbyq2uj+hrjdyz-hzao+uu...@mail.gmail.com> >>> Message-Id: <[email protected]> >>> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 07:12:52 +0100 >>> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) >>> >>> Khoo Hock Aun >>> >>> I notice that you keep on snipping out the most important parts. This makes >>> m= >>> e very curious. >>> >>> What do you think about experience? 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