Hi Adri and Horse What if we talk Mathematics? is that allowed? ;-)
2013/4/3 ADRIE KINTZIGER <[email protected]> > Ahem! the dutch was a mating ritual,....but in an english environment it > looks and sounds like a social handicap. > Yes of course , we will write in english from now on. > > THx horse > > Adrie > > > 2013/4/2 Horse <[email protected]> > > > Ahem! English please :) > > > > Horse > > > > > > On 02/04/2013 09:41, Eddo Rats wrote: > > > >> Hoi Adri > >> > >> Je mag dit niet als kritiek zien, Eddo,want ik zie je interesse in > >> filosofie en dat is aan te moedigen maar het komt nogal wikipedia-achtig > >> over allemaal.Dat is ook niet af te wijzen maar mag niet het enige zijn > >> als > >> intellectuele onderbouw. > >> > >> Iedereen filosofeert zo op zijn eigen manier :D Mijn toepassingen van > >> golfvergelijkingen in de filosofie zijn wel in mijn eigen creativiteit > >> ontstaan. Dat komt omdat ik een academisch getrainde ingenieur ben. Ik > heb > >> het gebruikt om mijzelf op die manier uit een situatie van mental > illness > >> te denken. > >> > >> Ik zie eigenlijk meer mogelijkheden voor deze manier van denken, vooral > >> wetenschappelijk. Ik denk bv aan aansluiting vinden bij het observer > >> effect > >> probleem in de quantum mechanica en een verklaring voor de > tijdverschillen > >> in de neurologische experimenten van Libet. > >> > >> Tot nu toe sta ik, zover ik me bewust ben, alleen in mijn ideeen. Als > jij > >> denkt te weten dat er een high end segment in de filosofische > gemeenschhap > >> is die dit soort ideeen wel begrijpen zou ik graag weten wie dat zijn en > >> waar ik ze kan vinden. > >> > >> groet Eddo > >> > >> > >> 2013/4/2 ADRIE KINTZIGER <[email protected]> > >> > >> hi , Eddo. > >>> > >>> Eddo wrote.... > >>> > >>> But what is reality? From my point of view does the immaginairy > >>> information > >>> I experience as real(my consciousness) only exist in my mind as a > >>> immaginairy information difference between what I already subjectively > am > >>> and what I objectively encounter every moment. Thats the reason why I > >>> resonate with my surrounding world in just a limited way. It's our > >>> purpose > >>> to resonate more because that increases our sensational experiences. > >>> That's > >>> our will or driving force so to speak. How I understand these > increasing > >>> decreasing sensations as information is completely relative to what I > >>> already am. > >>> > >>> Adrie > >>> > >>> Idd Baudrillard,maar deze standpunten zijn van geen enkele hoogte of > >>> intellectuele draagkracht meer in deze tijden. > >>> Onzin is het echter niet compleet,en sommige dingen zijn van belang. > >>> Je moet echter weten de juiste abstracties te maken en een betere > >>> synthese. > >>> > >>> -een voorbeeld > >>> ieder individu betrekt zijn realiteitsbeeld uit de wisselwerking van > het > >>> 'zelf'' met zijn directe omgeving en de andere denkers... > >>> de andere 'zelven',....de omgeving en de wisselwerking zijn even > bepalend > >>> als de interpretatie ervan en de relatieve draagkracht van de vrije > wil. > >>> Baudrillard noteerde slechts wat al geweten was maar misbegreep het > zelf. > >>> > >>> Dit terzijde. > >>> > >>> I did read your proposals to import math in language, to import > >>> wavefunctions like resonance into filosophical toughts...its Not a bad > >>> idea > >>> however it is an existing idea that gains a lot of intellectual weight > in > >>> high end philosophy. > >>> > >>> In onze context hier echter kom je er nergens mee simpelweg omdat veel > >>> zogezegde filosofen nauwelijks het verschil begrijpen tussen denotatie > en > >>> connotatie....met andere woorden , nog aan het prille begin staan van > het > >>> leren begrijpen van taal. > >>> Je mag dit niet als kritiek zien, Eddo,want ik zie je interesse in > >>> filosofie en dat is aan te moedigen maar het komt nogal > wikipedia-achtig > >>> over allemaal.Dat is ook niet af te wijzen maar mag niet het enige zijn > >>> als > >>> intellectuele onderbouw. > >>> > >>> groeten, adrie(belg) > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> 2013/4/2 Eddo Rats <[email protected]> > >>> > >>> Hi Joe and Antony and everybody else > >>>> > >>>> you got me there Joe :-D I am just, like many philosophhers, a > >>>> > >>> theoretical > >>> > >>>> system/map builder, I was just speaking from my baudrillard map point > of > >>>> view. > >>>> > >>>> But what is reality? From my point of view does the immaginairy > >>>> > >>> information > >>> > >>>> I experience as real(my consciousness) only exist in my mind as a > >>>> immaginairy information difference between what I already subjectively > >>>> am > >>>> and what I objectively encounter every moment. Thats the reason why I > >>>> resonate with my surrounding world in just a limited way. It's our > >>>> > >>> purpose > >>> > >>>> to resonate more because that increases our sensational experiences. > >>>> > >>> That's > >>> > >>>> our will or driving force so to speak. How I understand these > increasing > >>>> > >>> or > >>> > >>>> decreasing sensations as information is completely relative to what I > >>>> already am. > >>>> > >>>> Eddo > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> 2013/4/2 Joseph Maurer <[email protected]> > >>>> > >>>> Hi Eddo Rats, > >>>>> > >>>>> How can a moment be theoretical? If a moment is imaginary it can be > >>>>> described as an indefinable reality of infinite possibilities. If > the > >>>>> moment is real it is existing reality. > >>>>> > >>>>> Joe > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On 4/1/13 2:33 PM, "Eddo Rats" <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> joe, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> every moment now is theoretical a moment of infinite possibillities. > >>>>>> > >>>>> for > >>>> > >>>>> some part we trust to know what to expect. I would call that SQ the > >>>>>> > >>>>> other > >>>> > >>>>> part that we can't trust is DQ. and of course are the things we least > >>>>>> expect to happen the most emotional. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Eddo > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> 2013/4/1 Joseph Maurer <[email protected]> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Hi Eddo Rats, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Welcome. I am not a mathematician. I appreciate that > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> "Mathematically > >>> > >>>> approachable" is a description for rigid logic. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> DQ is indefinable. I have to tweak my consciousness to try to find > >>>>>>> something in myself which validates a perception of the > indefinable. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> I > >>>> > >>>>> cannot define Love. I accept Love to represent an intensity of > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> indefinable > >>>>> > >>>>>> DQ. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Joe > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On 3/31/13 2:26 PM, "Eddo Rats" <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> My definition of quality is: Quality represents "That" where I can > >>>>>>>> identify > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> with. > >>>>>>> The trick in understanding this definition is in the two > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> dimensional > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> character of the word "Identification". > >>>>>>> You can Identify a "What" > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> and you can Identify "With" > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> "What" is represented by the information > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> dimension. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> "With" is represented by the sensation (emotion?) dimension. > >>>>>>> This > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> is all Mathematicly approachable. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list > >>>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/**listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-**moqtalk.org< > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org> > >>>>>>> Archives: > >>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/**pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.**org/< > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/> > >>>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.**html <http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list > >>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/**listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-**moqtalk.org< > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org> > >>>>>> Archives: > >>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/**pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.**org/< > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/> > >>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.**html <http://moq.org/md/archives.html> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list > >>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/**listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-**moqtalk.org< > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org> > >>>>> Archives: > >>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/**pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.**org/< > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/> > >>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.**html <http://moq.org/md/archives.html> > >>>>> > >>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list > >>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/**listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-**moqtalk.org< > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org> > >>>> Archives: > >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/**pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.**org/< > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/> > >>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.**html <http://moq.org/md/archives.html> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> parser > >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list > >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/**listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-**moqtalk.org< > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org> > >>> Archives: > >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/**pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.**org/< > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/> > >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.**html <http://moq.org/md/archives.html> > >>> > >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list > >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/**listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-**moqtalk.org< > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org> > >> Archives: > >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/**pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.**org/< > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/> > >> http://moq.org/md/archives.**html <http://moq.org/md/archives.html> > >> > >> > > -- > > > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > > — Frank Zappa > > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/**listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-**moqtalk.org< > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org> > > Archives: > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/**pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.**org/< > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/> > > http://moq.org/md/archives.**html <http://moq.org/md/archives.html> > > > > > > -- > parser > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
