Hi Joseph and all I respect your point your point of view; quote "The theory of knowledge of MOQ is direct experience. I experience DQ, indefinable! I experience SQ definable. Words delineating experience like DQ are indefinable not patterns. Emotions are indefinable and I suggest the base for the reality of DQ is indefinable emotion."
But the neverending discussion about where the non conceptual becomes the conceptual doesn't bring us any pragmatic results. I am here on this forum because i believe i have found a possible synthesis between SOM and MOQ which i can understand in the mathematical laguage used to describe waves and resonance. *ZMM page 231.* “*And finally: Phaedrus following a path that to his knowledge had never been taken in the history of Western thought, went straight between the horns of the subjectivity-objectivity dilemma and said that Quality is neither a part of mind, nor is it part of matter. It is a THIRD entity which is independent of the two.* And on page 234: *The very existence of subjects and objects themselves is deduced from the Quality (event). The quality (event) is the cause of the subjects and objects, which are then mistakenly presumed to be the cause of Quality.* Page 241 *He’d been speculating about the relationship of Quality to mind and matter and had identified Quality as the parent of mind and matter. This Copernican inversion of the relationship ...etc.* From my point of view there is a relationship between the two horns and that what's in the middle but until now i can only really understand this by the use of mathmatics. The way i can get closest in plane language is by using the text i used on Anthony's facebook page; My definition of quality is: Quality represents "That" where I can identify with. The trick in understanding this definition is in the two dimensional character of the word "Identification". You can Identify a "What" and you can Identify "With" "What" is represented by the information dimension. "With" is represented by the sensation (emotion?) dimension. This is all Mathematicly approachable. To really make this work you have to become the Mathematical language like you once became your native tongue. You have to be able to understand that you can come from waves to every possible form(inFORMation) by using taylor array's and fourier analysis. You have to understand the wave equations derrived from eulers identity and how they express in a complex plain. To spell this out more deeply you have to dive more deeply in the term Identification. There are examples of experiments with blind and deaf people who started using their senses at a later age . I used those to try to deduce the relative (mirror) relationship between subjects and objects and the relationship with emotions. Anthony pointed me to Joseph to be the person that is able to apply some mathemathical thought's on this. Is anyone intrested to start an experiment by thinking outside the box as phylosophers and non-philosophologers? Anyone intrested to start a new thread about ther synthesis between SOM and MOQ? Kind regards Eddo Rats (Sorry for my misstakes in English, My native language is Dutch) 2013/3/31 Joseph Maurer <[email protected]> > Hi Marsha V and All, > > In SOM metaphysics the theory of how we know things is the mind's ability > to > abstract the essence of an object and give it intentional existence in the > intellect for communication by words. > > The theory of knowledge of MOQ is direct experience. I experience DQ, > indefinable! I experience SQ definable. Words delineating experience like > DQ are indefinable not patterns. Emotions are indefinable and I suggest > the > base for the reality of DQ is indefinable emotion. > > > On 3/29/13 3:33 AM, "MarshaV" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Hi Joe, > > > > On Mar 28, 2013, at 4:10 PM, Joseph Maurer <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> I observe a value in the definition of perception (individual) as > different > >> from the definition of the conception of creation or evolution. > > > > If I am absorbed in talking to myself, I will not recognize the taste of > > ginger, or the smell of earth after rain, or the feel of the breeze > passing > > over my cheek, or the sound of birdsong, or the sight of dancing leaves. > > These too are patterns to be notice; patterns that are far more > immediate than > > the abstracted chatter and patterns that say much more about our > relationship > > to the world of value. Remember your breath: I am breathing in, I am > > breathing out... > > > > > > Marsha > > > > > > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > Archives: > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
