Awesome! So you'll use a clarifier now Dan? On 05/05/2013, at 2:25 PM, Dan Glover <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hello everyone > > On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 9:18 PM, Ant McWatt <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Dan G said to Ron, Arlo, DMB et al, May 4th 2013: >> >>> Experience is pre-conceptual. That is why there is always a lag between >>> experience and recognition. Dr. Gurr seems to go into this a bit in the >>> paper that Ant shared. William James also goes into this, which RMP >> quotes >>> in Lila. Experience and our conception of experience are never identical. >>> Once we have pigeon-holed experience into categories it is no longer >>> experience. It becomes a memory of experience, or in the MOQ, static >>> quality. >> >> >> Ant McWatt comments: >> >> Dan, >> >> Just a small refinement but I think it would be clearer if you added the >> prefix "pure" to the word experience in the above paragraph as static >> quality patterns are a form of experience too (though a type of >> conceptualised/patterned experience)! >> > > Hey Ant, > > I think it depends on how we are using the term 'experience.' I received an > email from Paul Turner a few months back which might help explain where I > am coming from: > >> Sept 2004 >> >> Turner: Is experience synonymous with Dynamic Quality, or is experience > both >> Dynamic and static quality? >> >> Pirsig: Both, but it's also an SOM word that implies an experiencer and >> thing experienced, so it's not the best word to use within the MOQ. >> >> Past experience is always static. Present experience, within the > microsecond >> it is experienced before thought takes place, is always Dynamic. > > Dan comments: > If we use the term 'experience' in the context of the MOQ, then qualifiers > like 'direct' and 'present' and 'past' become unnecessary accoutrements. > But I do understand the need to qualify the term if we are dealing from a > subject/object point of view. > > >> Ant: >> e.g >> >> "Pure experience (i.e. unpatterned Quality/Dynamic Quality) is >> pre-conceptual. That is why there is always a lag between pure experience >> and recognition...." >> > > Dan: > I have no problem with this, especially for the sake of clarity when > writing to an SOM audience. Like here! :-) > > >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Ant >> > > Thank, Ant. Always good to hear from you. > > Dan > > http://www.danglover.com > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
