Hello everyone On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 9:18 PM, Ant McWatt <[email protected]> wrote:
> Dan G said to Ron, Arlo, DMB et al, May 4th 2013: > > > Experience is pre-conceptual. That is why there is always a lag between > > experience and recognition. Dr. Gurr seems to go into this a bit in the > > paper that Ant shared. William James also goes into this, which RMP > quotes > > in Lila. Experience and our conception of experience are never identical. > > Once we have pigeon-holed experience into categories it is no longer > > experience. It becomes a memory of experience, or in the MOQ, static > > quality. > > > Ant McWatt comments: > > Dan, > > Just a small refinement but I think it would be clearer if you added the > prefix "pure" to the word experience in the above paragraph as static > quality patterns are a form of experience too (though a type of > conceptualised/patterned experience)! > Hey Ant, I think it depends on how we are using the term 'experience.' I received an email from Paul Turner a few months back which might help explain where I am coming from: > Sept 2004 > > Turner: Is experience synonymous with Dynamic Quality, or is experience both > Dynamic and static quality? > > Pirsig: Both, but it's also an SOM word that implies an experiencer and > thing experienced, so it's not the best word to use within the MOQ. > > Past experience is always static. Present experience, within the microsecond > it is experienced before thought takes place, is always Dynamic. Dan comments: If we use the term 'experience' in the context of the MOQ, then qualifiers like 'direct' and 'present' and 'past' become unnecessary accoutrements. But I do understand the need to qualify the term if we are dealing from a subject/object point of view. > Ant: > e.g > > "Pure experience (i.e. unpatterned Quality/Dynamic Quality) is > pre-conceptual. That is why there is always a lag between pure experience > and recognition...." > Dan: I have no problem with this, especially for the sake of clarity when writing to an SOM audience. Like here! :-) > > Best wishes, > > Ant > Thank, Ant. Always good to hear from you. Dan http://www.danglover.com Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
