[email protected] said to dmb: It isn't a problem to separate conceptions from perceptions, and it does not indicate that anything other than Value is moving the senses.
dmb says: I can't any sense of that sentence, which seems to be two sentences, one of which is a question and the other a declarative statement about "it", wherein you never say what "it" is. [email protected] said to dmb: Our structured (relative) reality involves concepts and percepts. dmb says: As I understand the terms involved, that sentence is redundant nonsense. As I understand it, concepts and percepts constitute the whole of our structured reality, are the structures in the phrase "structured reality", so that your sentence would translate into, "our structured reality involves our structured reality". This is redundant nonsense or, at best, a useless and meaningless thing to say. [email protected] said to dmb: And the terms 'ghosts' and 'imagination' do not undermine or attempt to undermine intellectual static patterns of value,.. dmb say: This sentence has the same problem as the last one. Ghosts ARE static pattens, as I understand the terms, so that your sentence would translate as, "the term 'ghosts' does not undermine the ghosts" or "static patterns do not attempt to undermine static pattens". I can only imagine what you THINK the difference is between ghosts and intellectual static patterns but I think the law of gravity is an example of both because they mean exactly the same thing. What are you talking about? One can only guess because you misuse all of the terms. You have your own private definition, which makes communication impossible, of course. "The world has no existence whatsoever outside the human imagination. It's all a ghost, and in antiquity was so recognized as a ghost, the whole blessed world we live in. It's run by ghosts. We see what we see because these ghosts show it to us, ghosts of Moses and Christ and the Buddha, and Plato, and Descartes, and Rousseau and Jefferson and Lincoln, on and on and on. Isaac Newton is a very good ghost. One of the best. Your common sense is nothing more than the voices of thousands and thousands of these ghosts from the past. Ghosts and more ghosts. Ghosts trying to find their place among the living.'' (RMP, 'ZAMM', Chapter 3) Ghosts are just another analogy. As I understand it, Pirsig would say exactly the same thing about the many marvelous invented analogies and about the static pattens of value. The four levels are ghosts, every last bit of it. I honestly don't know why you cannot see past these images, why you take them so literally, why you cannot see that there is just one idea behind these various descriptions. You don't belong here, Marsha. You have repeatedly proven that you don't get it. Please, please, go spend your time elsewhere. Please? Won't you go away for your own sake, if not ours? Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
