> djh wrote:
>> Okay. Well I see those reasons but I prefer provisional as used by Pirsig 
>> for the reasons I offered. I prefer the term 'provisional' as it makes clear 
>> that we experience value and it exists rather than the term 'hypothetical' 
>> which neglects the value of something and is just something we believe 
>> regardless of whether it is valuable or not.
>> 
>> Value *exists* and isn't something we "believe" as you make it out to be.
> 
> Marsha responded:
> Value exists, and a conceptually constructed and projected static pattern of 
> value is thought and thought is imagination and not ultimate reality.  


djh responds:

Well thought *can* be imagination but it isn't *always* imagination. 

Dictionary:

Imagination - "The faculty or action of forming new ideas, or images or 
concepts of external objects not present to the senses."  

Sometimes we can think about external objects which *are* external and present 
to the sense and so we do not imagine them.  Like value for instance.  Do you 
'imagine' value exists or does it exist before you imagine it?
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