Hi David,
On May 22, 2013, at 7:08 AM, David Harding <[email protected]> wrote: >> djh wrote: >>> Okay. Well I see those reasons but I prefer provisional as used by Pirsig >>> for the reasons I offered. I prefer the term 'provisional' as it makes >>> clear that we experience value and it exists rather than the term >>> 'hypothetical' which neglects the value of something and is just something >>> we believe regardless of whether it is valuable or not. >>> >>> Value *exists* and isn't something we "believe" as you make it out to be. >> >> Marsha responded: >> Value exists, and a conceptually constructed and projected static pattern of >> value is thought and thought is imagination and not ultimate reality. > > > djh responds: > > Well thought *can* be imagination but it isn't *always* imagination. You don't think so? > Dictionary: > > Imagination - "The faculty or action of forming new ideas, or images or > concepts of external objects not present to the senses." Imagination? How did you come to choose this particular entry from the dictionary? How did you know this is what I meant? Maybe I meant 'imagination' as a stand-in for 'illusion', 'ghost', 'useful fiction' and 'maya'. Dictionary: Dictionary - "a book, optical disc, mobile device, or online lexical resource(such as Dictionary.com ) containing a selection of the words of a language, giving information about their meanings, pronunciations, etymologies, inflected forms, derived forms, etc., expressed in either the same or another language; lexicon; glossary. Print dictionaries of various sizes, ranging from small pocket dictionaries to multivolume books, usually sort entries alphabetically, as do typical CD or DVD dictionary applications, allowing one to browse through the terms in sequence. All electronic dictionaries, whether online or installed on a device, can provide immediate, direct access to a search term, its meanings, and ancillary information: _an unabridged dictionary of English; a Japanese-English dictionary_." > Sometimes we can think about external objects which *are* external and > present to the sense and so we do not imagine them. Like value for instance. > Is this what you think? You think of value sometimes as external "objects"? That's interesting. > Do you 'imagine' value exists or does it exist before you imagine it? I can't imagine such a question. I accept the MoQ's fundamental principal that the world is nothing but Value. Marsha ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
