Hi Marsha and Joseph The madman experiences an ego collapse but in an effort of his ego to survive the ego feeds on DQ to create a new mythos where the ego is king, jezus or napoleon or whatever........... The madman is his ego in the new mythos and believes his new mythos. So the madman is not enlightend and when psychiatrists, with help of medication, helps to connect his ego back to the accepted mythos he becomes confused and depressed. Because he intuitively understands that there must be another mythos where he is king and that felt good.
The enlightend person sees every mythos as an illusion and is detatched from the desire to play a role in the mythos. To Joseph: How to explain to seperate your I-ness from your ego can only be done rational. That's why it never works :D lol I reasoned my way out of my ego to stop the ping-pong game of getting me kicked from inside to outside the mythos and back again and it took me twenty years. This was reasoning while experiencing. from this experience i can only communicate the rational part which in it's turn form's again a new mythos :D lol Kind regards Eddo 2013/6/28 MarshaV <[email protected]> > > Hi Eddo, > > Yes, there are different mythos' and an isolated Buddhist monastery would > have there own. > > When Phaedrus first went to India he'd wondered why, if this passage of > enlightenment into pure Dynamic Quality was such a universal reality, did > it only occur in certain parts of the world and not others? At the time > he'd thought this was proof that the whole thing was just Oriental > religious baloney, the equivalent of a magic land called 'heaven' that > Westerners go to if they are good and get a ticket from the priests. Now he > saw that enlightenment is distributed in all parts of the world just as the > color yellow is distributed in all parts of the world, but some cultures > accept it and others screen out recognition of it." > > (LILA, Chapter 32) > > Seems to me an experience of sudden awakening in a culture that does not > accept enlightenment or take serious talk about enlightenment would be to > experience madness or insanity. > > I like what you said concerning the separation of the ego from the notion > of I-ness. Not easy in the West where the economics is linked to the ego. > > > Marsha > > > On Jun 28, 2013, at 1:48 PM, Eddo Rats <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hello Marcha > > > > Pirsig says: > > "There is only one kind of person, Phædrus said, who accepts or rejects > the > > mythos in which he lives. And the definition of that person, when he has > > rejected the mythos, Phædrus said, is "*insane*." To go outside the > mythos > > is to become *insane*. — > > > > The lecture gives the layering of Mythos/nomos/logos Through the eyes of > > foucault where mythos is most dynamic and logos least dynamic within the > > cultural/society boundries. > > > > Outside the mythos is madness, more dynamic than within the mythos. > Outside > > the mythos you are able to create your own independend mythos for > yourself. > > > > In an isolated Buddhist monistary they live for some part according to > > their own Mythos their own separate culture/society with their own > > mythos/nomos/logos layering. > > > > The Self or ego is bound to a Mythos > > > > The Enlightend person knows how to separate the notion of I-ness from the > > ego. In this way is an enlightend person not bound by a Mythos. The > madman > > doesn't have a clue about this. > > > > Kind regards > > > > Eddo > > > > > > 2013/6/28 MarshaV <[email protected]> > > > >> > >> Hello Eddo, > >> > >> Been thinking about enlightenment versus madness? Madness, another > >> relative term! I just watched another very basic Foucault video: > >> > >> http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X31ayDsG67U > >> > >> In a setting such as an isolated Asian, Buddhist monastery, is there > >> madness? > >> > >> I like the Foucault. > >> > >> > >> Marsha > >> > >> > >> > >> On Jun 28, 2013, at 8:52 AM, Eddo Rats <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >>> Hi Marcha > >>> > >>> Quote of Foucault; It is simply in the struggle itself and through it > >> that > >>> positive conditions emerge. > >>> > >>> In my opinion this struggle includes experiences of madness > >>> > >>> kind regards, > >>> > >>> Eddo > >>> > >>> > >>> 2013/6/28 MarshaV <[email protected]> > >>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> A Critical Introduction to Foucault > >>>> > >>>> http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=related&v=FHkZvRQIQ5s > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Conformity? Fixed? 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