Marsha I realy don't know why i used the word normality, i don't even know if the word is commomly used in the english language. it sort of felt good to use it. maybe civilisation, society or accepted culture are better words
forgive me my clumsiness Kind regards Eddo 2013/6/29 MarshaV <[email protected]> > > Greetings Eddo, > > > On Jun 29, 2013, at 6:57 AM, Eddo Rats <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hi Marsha > > > > in the conclusion of the sparknotes it says: > > Foucault sees art as a way for madness to fight back against the world. > > Madness is measured against a moral scale by psychiatrists and > > psychologists, but art asks the world disturbing questions and requires > > answers. The very fact that it does not support the way that society > > represents and treats madness calls society itself into question. Art > > attempts to redress the balance between madness and civilization. > > > > This is what Pirsig did by publishing his Novels. > > Pirsig published the mythos that made him enlightend. But I suspect that > as > > an enlightend person he doesn't care about this mythos anymore. The > > published work made him a celebrity and that forces him to deal with his > > own Mythos over and over again. > > Can't be easy. > > > > That's the downside of the effort of merging the mythos of a madman > > with the accepted mythos which is on the other hand the only path > > out of madness into normality again. > > Madness? Hmmm, "out of madness into normality"? Normality? Lol. > > > Marsha > > > > > Kind regards, > > > > Eddo > > > > > > 2013/6/29 MarshaV <[email protected]> > > > >> > >> Eddo, > >> > >> Foucault offers a history of madness, and after reading some of the > >> SparkNotes summary, I think I'd like to read it. > >> > >> http://www.sparknotes.com/philosophy/madnessandciv/context.html > >> > >> > >> Marsha > >> > >> > >> On Jun 28, 2013, at 3:45 PM, Eddo Rats <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >>> Hi Marsha and Joseph > >>> > >>> The madman experiences an ego collapse but in an effort of his ego to > >>> survive the ego feeds on DQ to create a new mythos where the ego is > king, > >>> jezus or napoleon or whatever........... The madman is his ego in the > new > >>> mythos and believes his new mythos. So the madman is not enlightend and > >>> when psychiatrists, with help of medication, helps to connect his ego > >> back > >>> to the accepted mythos he becomes confused and depressed. Because he > >>> intuitively understands that there must be another mythos where he is > >> king > >>> and that felt good. > >>> > >>> The enlightend person sees every mythos as an illusion and is detatched > >>> from the desire to play a role in the mythos. > >>> > >>> To Joseph: > >>> > >>> How to explain to seperate your I-ness from your ego can only be done > >>> rational. That's why it never works :D lol > >>> I reasoned my way out of my ego to stop the ping-pong game of getting > me > >>> kicked from inside to outside the mythos and back again and it took me > >>> twenty years. This was reasoning while experiencing. from this > >> experience i > >>> can only communicate the rational part which in it's turn form's again > a > >>> new mythos :D lol > >>> > >>> Kind regards > >>> > >>> Eddo > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> 2013/6/28 MarshaV <[email protected]> > >>> > >>>> > >>>> Hi Eddo, > >>>> > >>>> Yes, there are different mythos' and an isolated Buddhist monastery > >> would > >>>> have there own. > >>>> > >>>> When Phaedrus first went to India he'd wondered why, if this passage > of > >>>> enlightenment into pure Dynamic Quality was such a universal reality, > >> did > >>>> it only occur in certain parts of the world and not others? At the > time > >>>> he'd thought this was proof that the whole thing was just Oriental > >>>> religious baloney, the equivalent of a magic land called 'heaven' that > >>>> Westerners go to if they are good and get a ticket from the priests. > >> Now he > >>>> saw that enlightenment is distributed in all parts of the world just > as > >> the > >>>> color yellow is distributed in all parts of the world, but some > cultures > >>>> accept it and others screen out recognition of it." > >>>> > >>>> (LILA, Chapter 32) > >>>> > >>>> Seems to me an experience of sudden awakening in a culture that does > not > >>>> accept enlightenment or take serious talk about enlightenment would be > >> to > >>>> experience madness or insanity. > >>>> > >>>> I like what you said concerning the separation of the ego from the > >> notion > >>>> of I-ness. Not easy in the West where the economics is linked to the > >> ego. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Marsha > >> Moq_Discuss mailing list > >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >> Archives: > >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > Archives: > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
