Oh........Be carefull!! people can get offended by that and try to put you away in an asylum ;-) lol
King regards Eddo 2013/6/29 MarshaV <[email protected]> > > > Eddo, I wasn't laughing at you... I was laughing at "accepted culture." > > > > On Jun 29, 2013, at 7:44 AM, Eddo Rats <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Marsha > > > > I realy don't know why i used the word normality, i don't even know if > the > > word is commomly used in the english language. it sort of felt good to > use > > it. maybe civilisation, society or accepted culture are better words > > > > forgive me my clumsiness > > > > Kind regards > > > > Eddo > > > > > > 2013/6/29 MarshaV <[email protected]> > > > >> > >> Greetings Eddo, > >> > >> > >> On Jun 29, 2013, at 6:57 AM, Eddo Rats <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >>> Hi Marsha > >>> > >>> in the conclusion of the sparknotes it says: > >>> Foucault sees art as a way for madness to fight back against the world. > >>> Madness is measured against a moral scale by psychiatrists and > >>> psychologists, but art asks the world disturbing questions and requires > >>> answers. The very fact that it does not support the way that society > >>> represents and treats madness calls society itself into question. Art > >>> attempts to redress the balance between madness and civilization. > >>> > >>> This is what Pirsig did by publishing his Novels. > >>> Pirsig published the mythos that made him enlightend. But I suspect > that > >> as > >>> an enlightend person he doesn't care about this mythos anymore. The > >>> published work made him a celebrity and that forces him to deal with > his > >>> own Mythos over and over again. > >> > >> Can't be easy. > >> > >> > >>> That's the downside of the effort of merging the mythos of a madman > >>> with the accepted mythos which is on the other hand the only path > >>> out of madness into normality again. > >> > >> Madness? Hmmm, "out of madness into normality"? Normality? Lol. > >> > >> > >> Marsha > >> > >> > >> > >>> Kind regards, > >>> > >>> Eddo > >>> > >>> > >>> 2013/6/29 MarshaV <[email protected]> > >>> > >>>> > >>>> Eddo, > >>>> > >>>> Foucault offers a history of madness, and after reading some of the > >>>> SparkNotes summary, I think I'd like to read it. > >>>> > >>>> http://www.sparknotes.com/philosophy/madnessandciv/context.html > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Marsha > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Jun 28, 2013, at 3:45 PM, Eddo Rats <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Hi Marsha and Joseph > >>>>> > >>>>> The madman experiences an ego collapse but in an effort of his ego to > >>>>> survive the ego feeds on DQ to create a new mythos where the ego is > >> king, > >>>>> jezus or napoleon or whatever........... The madman is his ego in the > >> new > >>>>> mythos and believes his new mythos. So the madman is not enlightend > and > >>>>> when psychiatrists, with help of medication, helps to connect his ego > >>>> back > >>>>> to the accepted mythos he becomes confused and depressed. Because he > >>>>> intuitively understands that there must be another mythos where he is > >>>> king > >>>>> and that felt good. > >>>>> > >>>>> The enlightend person sees every mythos as an illusion and is > detatched > >>>>> from the desire to play a role in the mythos. > >>>>> > >>>>> To Joseph: > >>>>> > >>>>> How to explain to seperate your I-ness from your ego can only be done > >>>>> rational. That's why it never works :D lol > >>>>> I reasoned my way out of my ego to stop the ping-pong game of getting > >> me > >>>>> kicked from inside to outside the mythos and back again and it took > me > >>>>> twenty years. This was reasoning while experiencing. from this > >>>> experience i > >>>>> can only communicate the rational part which in it's turn form's > again > >> a > >>>>> new mythos :D lol > >>>>> > >>>>> Kind regards > >>>>> > >>>>> Eddo > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> 2013/6/28 MarshaV <[email protected]> > >>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Hi Eddo, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Yes, there are different mythos' and an isolated Buddhist monastery > >>>> would > >>>>>> have there own. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> When Phaedrus first went to India he'd wondered why, if this passage > >> of > >>>>>> enlightenment into pure Dynamic Quality was such a universal > reality, > >>>> did > >>>>>> it only occur in certain parts of the world and not others? At the > >> time > >>>>>> he'd thought this was proof that the whole thing was just Oriental > >>>>>> religious baloney, the equivalent of a magic land called 'heaven' > that > >>>>>> Westerners go to if they are good and get a ticket from the priests. > >>>> Now he > >>>>>> saw that enlightenment is distributed in all parts of the world just > >> as > >>>> the > >>>>>> color yellow is distributed in all parts of the world, but some > >> cultures > >>>>>> accept it and others screen out recognition of it." > >>>>>> > >>>>>> (LILA, Chapter 32) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Seems to me an experience of sudden awakening in a culture that does > >> not > >>>>>> accept enlightenment or take serious talk about enlightenment would > be > >>>> to > >>>>>> experience madness or insanity. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I like what you said concerning the separation of the ego from the > >>>> notion > >>>>>> of I-ness. Not easy in the West where the economics is linked to > the > >>>> ego. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Marsha > >>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list > >>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >>>> Archives: > >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list > >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >>> Archives: > >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > >> Moq_Discuss mailing list > >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >> Archives: > >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > Archives: > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
