Eddo, I wasn't laughing at you... I was laughing at "accepted culture."
On Jun 29, 2013, at 7:44 AM, Eddo Rats <[email protected]> wrote: > Marsha > > I realy don't know why i used the word normality, i don't even know if the > word is commomly used in the english language. it sort of felt good to use > it. maybe civilisation, society or accepted culture are better words > > forgive me my clumsiness > > Kind regards > > Eddo > > > 2013/6/29 MarshaV <[email protected]> > >> >> Greetings Eddo, >> >> >> On Jun 29, 2013, at 6:57 AM, Eddo Rats <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi Marsha >>> >>> in the conclusion of the sparknotes it says: >>> Foucault sees art as a way for madness to fight back against the world. >>> Madness is measured against a moral scale by psychiatrists and >>> psychologists, but art asks the world disturbing questions and requires >>> answers. The very fact that it does not support the way that society >>> represents and treats madness calls society itself into question. Art >>> attempts to redress the balance between madness and civilization. >>> >>> This is what Pirsig did by publishing his Novels. >>> Pirsig published the mythos that made him enlightend. But I suspect that >> as >>> an enlightend person he doesn't care about this mythos anymore. The >>> published work made him a celebrity and that forces him to deal with his >>> own Mythos over and over again. >> >> Can't be easy. >> >> >>> That's the downside of the effort of merging the mythos of a madman >>> with the accepted mythos which is on the other hand the only path >>> out of madness into normality again. >> >> Madness? Hmmm, "out of madness into normality"? Normality? Lol. >> >> >> Marsha >> >> >> >>> Kind regards, >>> >>> Eddo >>> >>> >>> 2013/6/29 MarshaV <[email protected]> >>> >>>> >>>> Eddo, >>>> >>>> Foucault offers a history of madness, and after reading some of the >>>> SparkNotes summary, I think I'd like to read it. >>>> >>>> http://www.sparknotes.com/philosophy/madnessandciv/context.html >>>> >>>> >>>> Marsha >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jun 28, 2013, at 3:45 PM, Eddo Rats <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Marsha and Joseph >>>>> >>>>> The madman experiences an ego collapse but in an effort of his ego to >>>>> survive the ego feeds on DQ to create a new mythos where the ego is >> king, >>>>> jezus or napoleon or whatever........... The madman is his ego in the >> new >>>>> mythos and believes his new mythos. So the madman is not enlightend and >>>>> when psychiatrists, with help of medication, helps to connect his ego >>>> back >>>>> to the accepted mythos he becomes confused and depressed. Because he >>>>> intuitively understands that there must be another mythos where he is >>>> king >>>>> and that felt good. >>>>> >>>>> The enlightend person sees every mythos as an illusion and is detatched >>>>> from the desire to play a role in the mythos. >>>>> >>>>> To Joseph: >>>>> >>>>> How to explain to seperate your I-ness from your ego can only be done >>>>> rational. That's why it never works :D lol >>>>> I reasoned my way out of my ego to stop the ping-pong game of getting >> me >>>>> kicked from inside to outside the mythos and back again and it took me >>>>> twenty years. This was reasoning while experiencing. from this >>>> experience i >>>>> can only communicate the rational part which in it's turn form's again >> a >>>>> new mythos :D lol >>>>> >>>>> Kind regards >>>>> >>>>> Eddo >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2013/6/28 MarshaV <[email protected]> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Eddo, >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes, there are different mythos' and an isolated Buddhist monastery >>>> would >>>>>> have there own. >>>>>> >>>>>> When Phaedrus first went to India he'd wondered why, if this passage >> of >>>>>> enlightenment into pure Dynamic Quality was such a universal reality, >>>> did >>>>>> it only occur in certain parts of the world and not others? At the >> time >>>>>> he'd thought this was proof that the whole thing was just Oriental >>>>>> religious baloney, the equivalent of a magic land called 'heaven' that >>>>>> Westerners go to if they are good and get a ticket from the priests. >>>> Now he >>>>>> saw that enlightenment is distributed in all parts of the world just >> as >>>> the >>>>>> color yellow is distributed in all parts of the world, but some >> cultures >>>>>> accept it and others screen out recognition of it." >>>>>> >>>>>> (LILA, Chapter 32) >>>>>> >>>>>> Seems to me an experience of sudden awakening in a culture that does >> not >>>>>> accept enlightenment or take serious talk about enlightenment would be >>>> to >>>>>> experience madness or insanity. >>>>>> >>>>>> I like what you said concerning the separation of the ego from the >>>> notion >>>>>> of I-ness. 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