David, I didn't state that non-attached caring is *only* 'spontaneous', and I have never read 'Zen and the Art of Archery', nor am I a student of Zen Buddhism. 'Deliberate' seems like a good word. I was just trying to open up the subject of *caring*. I don't like to put things in terms of either/or, but see gradations between alternatives. I don't think that priests and government administrators, or even scientists should dictate what and who one should care about, yet I do think one should always try to do the right thing.
Marsha On Jul 23, 2013, at 5:55 AM, David Harding <[email protected]> wrote: > Marsha, > > I don't think non-attached caring is only 'spontaneous'. It can also be quite > deliberate. For example there is the 'effortless effort' as discussed in Zen > and the Art of Archery.. > > > >> On 21 Jul 2013, at 6:42 pm, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> Hi Ron, >> >> I have been thinking about *caring.* Might it be said that there is a >> *caring* that is quite natural and spontaneous, and there is a *caring* that >> represents something more like bondage? >> >> >> Marsha >> >> >> >> >>> On Jul 20, 2013, at 12:53 PM, X Acto <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> [Marsha] >>> It might be difficult for those who have not practiced mindful-awareness to >>> imagine functioning without any accompanying linguistic narration >>> >>> [Arlo] >>> To the contrary, I wish some people would go live their lives without any >>> accompanying linguistic narration. >>> >>> Ron: >>> You said it, >>> >>> It is what I have had to practice lately, by the simple virtue of just >>> being overwhelmed. I have had to make decisions on the fly >>> I have had to push through physical limitations all in a drive for >>> "betterness". I've taken the time to respond mostly by wanting >>> to say that I have been finding your posts very meaningful and also because >>> Marsha's use of the term mindful-awareness has >>> caught my attention. >>> I take her meaning of the term to imply a "carefulness" since both mindful >>> and aware equate to the same thing which would >>> lead me to conclude that a "mindful" awareness is a "careful" awareness and >>> a careful awareness is an awarness aimed at >>> betterness. >>> This bringing me back to my own aim at betterness, my careful awareness, my >>> push through physical limitations and my >>> cessastion of any accompanying linguistic narration. The "just do it." part >>> of the drive mostly achieved by an intellectual ideal >>> I have cultured, a "care" above all others that I must continually redefine >>> and clarify in order for it to hold the meaning required >>> for the drive to be executed and sustained. >>> >>> It just makes me aware how important that intellectual ideal is, how its >>> formed and it's overarching aim. >>> >>> For instance I was just made aware that in order to succeed at my aim of a >>> better life for my family I must also take >>> my own well-being into account. I had coped with the typical suffering and >>> reward type cycle, now I am faced with >>> re-thinking my reward structure and how I conceive of what "reward" really >>> means to me in my aim. Forcing me >>> to make the quality distinction between counter-productive rewards and >>> productive ones. >>> >>> But it was when I could establish what I cared most about and why that the >>> form of the good became clearer to me >>> in that it influenced my perception of the immediate now and my >>> participation in it. >>> >>> To me, this is practicing mindful awareness but somehow I get the feeling >>> thats not what she meant. >>> >>> .. >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
