"Kill Ugly Radio" Frank Zappa
"Zap" Robert Crumb "Too much or too little is wasted" JanAnders > > > dmb, > > > > On Jul 23, 2013, at 2:24 PM, david buchanan wrote: > >> Marsha said: >> It might be difficult for those who have not practiced mindful-awareness to >> imagine functioning without any accompanying linguistic narration >> >> >> >> dmb whines to Arlo and Ron: >> >> Seems to me that Marsha is really saying is that philosophical discussion is >> beneath her. She wants to construe her inability to discuss ideas as some >> kind of virtue, a virtue so awesome that mere mortals like us can't even >> imagine it. I imagine she also joined the swim club and spends all her time >> there telling all the swimmers about the evils of water and the virtue of >> her own dryness. Don't even ask about the moves she makes over the chess >> club. King me! >> >> >> Marsha replied (sort of): >> Hyperbole? Is this all you can find to present for intellectual >> discussion? I'm not surprised. >> >> >> >> >> dmb repeats trying to justify his hyperbole: >> Hyperbole? I think it's more like pointed humor. And I foolishly hoped you'd >> see the point if I said it three different ways. No such luck. Shall I spell >> it out for you? Any reasonably intelligent person should be able to see my >> point, which is simply that your behavior is inappropriate to the situation. >> Like the water-hating swim club member or the chess club joiner who insists >> on playing by the rules of checkers, your behavior here is inappropriate. >> > > > Marsha: > I have no interest in responding to your hyperbole, projections, > misrepresentations, sarcasm, irony, parody, snarkiness, jargon, > philosophology, whining or insults. I am not interested in playing textual > evidence bingo. And I have no need of your approval, so complain away to > your heart's content. I have explained my interpretation of the phrase "kill > all intellectual patterns" many times. I see no reason to repeat it. For > now I will only point to my original post from last Thursday. > > --- > > On Jul 18, 2013, at 8:43 AM, MarshaV wrote: > > Just for the record, it was RMP who used the term (analogy) 'kill'. And even > though he was translating a Buddhist poem into MoQ terminology, he could have > chosen a different word, but didn't. It might be difficult for those who > have not practiced mindful-awareness to imagine functioning without any > accompanying linguistic narration, especially the intellectual variety, but > it is quite possible. > > > "When early Western investigators first read the Buddhist texts they too > interpreted nirvana as some kind of suicide. There's a famous poem that goes: > > While living, > Be a dead man. > Be completely dead, > And then do as you please. > And all will be well. > > "It sounds like something from a Hollywood horror-film but it's about > nirvana. The Metaphysics of Quality translates it: > > While sustaining biological and social patterns > Kill all intellectual patterns. > Kill them completely > And then follow Dynamic Quality > And morality will be served. > > ... > > "When Phaedrus first went to India he'd wondered why, if this passage of > enlightenment into pure Dynamic Quality was such a universal reality, did it > only occur in certain parts of the world and not others? At the time he'd > thought this was proof that the whole thing was just Oriental religious > baloney, the equivalent of a magic land called 'heaven' that Westerners go to > if they are good and get a ticket from the priests. Now he saw that > enlightenment is distributed in all parts of the world just as the color > yellow is distributed in all parts of the world, but some cultures accept it > and others screen out recognition of it." > > (LILA, Chapter 32) > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * > > Also: > > > The purpose of mystic meditation is not to remove oneself from experience but > to bring one's self closer to it by eliminating stale, confusing, static, > intellectual attachments of the past. " > (LILA, Chapter 9) > > > > > Marsha > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
