>>> [David] >>> But can you not see how this is against the MOQ which differs from Zen in >>> that the still values static patterns and the trail of evolution they >>> create? >> >> [Marsha] >> I value static patterns, and I am not sure that Zen does not value static >> quality. Doesn't Buddhism warn against a 'negative grasping' based on >> ignorance and greed, not necessarily the value and its evolutionary trail. >> I doubt that Zen Buddhism is trying to transform humans into comatose >> zombies. > > [David] > The small self which is the patterns capable of apprehending Dynamic Quality > in Zen Buddhism is an illusion. You know -'a mirage', 'a figment of the > imagination', 'doesn't actually exist' . In other words it's merely a vessel > to experience the Big Self - enlightenment. The small self of the patterns, > with the suffering which the patterns bring, is not as important in buddhism > as it is in the MOQ. As Pirsig writes: > > "The MOQ sees the wheel of karma as attached to a cart that is going > somewhere - from quantum forces through inorganic forces and biological > patterns and social patterns to the intellectual patterns that perceive the > quantum forces. In the sixth century B.C. in India there was no evidence of > this kind of evolutionary progress, and Buddhism, accordingly, does not pay > attention to it. Today it’s not possible to be so uninformed. The suffering > which the Buddhists regard as only that which is to be escaped, is seen by > the MOQ as merely the negative side of the progression toward Quality (or, > just as accurately, the expansion of quality). Without the suffering to > propel it, the cart would not move forward at all. "
Marsha: The Ultimate Truth (Dynamic Quality) is something each individual must realize for themselves; it is the still point at the center of the wheel. [Ron] Right, being a comatose zombie, why bother with where the cart is going right? .. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
