On Jul 28, 2013, at 11:31 AM, X Acto <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> [David] >>> But can you not see how this is against the MOQ which differs from Zen in >>> that the still values static patterns and the trail of evolution they >>> create? >> >> [Marsha] >> I value static patterns, and I am not sure that Zen does not value static >> quality. Doesn't Buddhism warn against a 'negative grasping' based on >> ignorance and greed, not necessarily the value and its evolutionary trail. >> I doubt that Zen Buddhism is trying to transform humans into comatose >> zombies. > > [David] > The small self which is the patterns capable of apprehending Dynamic Quality > in Zen Buddhism is an illusion. You know -'a mirage', 'a figment of the > imagination', 'doesn't actually exist' . In other words it's merely a vessel > to experience the Big Self - enlightenment. The small self of the patterns, > with the suffering which the patterns bring, is not as important in buddhism > as it is in the MOQ. As Pirsig writes: > > "The MOQ sees the wheel of karma as attached to a cart that is going > somewhere - from quantum forces through inorganic forces and biological > patterns and social patterns to the intellectual patterns that perceive the > quantum forces. In the sixth century B.C. in India there was no evidence of > this kind of evolutionary progress, and Buddhism, accordingly, does not pay > attention to it. Today it’s not possible to be so uninformed. The suffering > which the Buddhists regard as only that which is to be escaped, is seen by > the MOQ as merely the negative side of the progression toward Quality (or, > just as accurately, the expansion of quality). Without the suffering to > propel it, the cart would not move forward at all. " Marsha response to David Harding (the full paragraph): The Ultimate Truth (Dynamic Quality) is something each individual must realize for themselves; it is the still point at the center of the wheel. You are letting go of all patterns: inorganic, biological, social and intellectual. The patterns are "killed", or let go, in order to realize the still point in the center of the wheel, the silence. The letting go is not annihilation or a rejection, but it gives you the perspective and peace of mind to understand the whole from being at (experiencing) the center instead out on the circumference where you just get whirled about. [Ron] Right, being a comatose zombie, why bother with where the cart is going right? Marsha: If you'd like, please explain your question. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
