>> [djh] >> Furthermore it doesn't change the fact that Marsha can see the value of >> Dynamic Quality but not static quality. > > [Marsha] > It is because I have directly experienced the unpatterned, that I can > appreciate the patterned, which includes Intellectual patterns.
[djh] I disagree. I think that appreciating the unpatterned does not automatically mean that you appreciate the patterned. These are two totally *different* types of quality. So no, I don't think you appreciate what static quality is. Remember the conflict between the Brujo and the Priests which brought RMP to this whole dichotomy to begin with? Just because the Priests could appreciate static quality or the Brujo DQ does that mean they could appreciate the other? Both different types of quality can be in *conflict* because they are *different*.. "Each culture has its own pattern of static good derived from fixed laws and the traditions and values that underlie them. This pattern of static good is the essential structure of the culture itself and defines it. In the static sense the brujo was very clearly evil to oppose the appointed authorities of his tribe. Suppose everyone did that? The whole Zuni culture, after thousands of years of continuous survival, would collapse into chaos." "Dynamic Quality is the pre-intellectual cutting edge of reality, the source of all things, completely simple and always new. It was the moral force that had motivated the brujo in Zuni. It contains no pattern of fixed rewards and punishments. Its only perceived good is freedom and its only perceived evil is static quality itself - any pattern of one-sided fixed values that tries to contain and kill the ongoing free force of life. Static quality, the moral force of the priests, emerges in the wake of Dynamic Quality. It is old and complex. It always contains a component of memory. Good is conformity to an established pattern of fixed values and value objects. Justice and law are identical. Static morality is full of heroes and villains, loves and hatreds, carrots and sticks. Its values don't change by themselves. Unless they are altered by Dynamic Quality they say the same thing year after year. Sometimes they say it more loudly, sometimes more softly, but the message is always the same." You only seem to appreciate the quality of Dynamic Quality and fail to see the value of a static quality distinction or the assumption that things exist before we experience them. These are different values Marsha and if you do not value them then you do not value static quality. Apparently, according to you, such things are only important 'scientifically'. "[djh] Can you ever see the value of thinking about static quality and making the assumption that things exist before we think about them? [Marsha] There might be good reasons in science to pretend [make an assumption]." I mean what about the whole point of a pattern which by its nature assumes that something existed before something else in order to create a pattern? Apparently the intellectual significance of this is lost on you. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
