Ron, We disagree on a few points, but such is life. The differences, I presume, are due to our different static life histories and present circumstances and present experiences. Do you meditate on a regular basis? Marsha
> On Nov 8, 2013, at 11:02 AM, Ron Kulp <[email protected]> wrote: > > Marsha, > Meditation is a useful tool in > The clarification of thoughts. > Reflection is another useful tool > To critically examine our actions, > It would be misleading to assert > Them as antidote (quick fix) or a > Mirror ( implying objective detachment ) plus these ideas > Don't hang together well with > Idea of all static quality is illusion, > All perception is confined to the > Human condition and to be human > Is to exist within social pattern > (Self). there is no self as it " really is " > There is no " reality" as it " really is". > There is no pure perception. > That mirror is all ways a funhouse mirror > At best. > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Nov 7, 2013, at 3:09 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> Ron, >> >> "Meditation is the great antidote to >> ignorance. It allows us to see >> ourselves plainly as we are, as if >> standing before a large clear >> mirror. Nothing is hidden. >> >> "If the movements of the body and >> mental processes are observed >> intelligently and with an open >> mind, one soon becomes >> aware of the mystery in life." >> >> http://buddhismnow.com/2013/07/05/first-steps-buddhist-meditation/ >> >> >> >> Moron? I am often confronted by my own ignorances, Ron, how about you? If >> you have more to say about 'a myth of meditation' being to "perceive reality >> as it is", I would be very interested in your comments. In what way do you >> think this? Personally, I'd say Ultimate Reality can be equated to Dynamic >> Quality, the unpatterned, the indeterminate. But you may have a very >> different way of understanding these things, and that's okay and, I'm sure, >> interesting. So what do you think? >> >> http://buddhismnow.com/category/buddhist/cartoons/ >> >> >> >> Marsha >> >> >>> On Nov 6, 2013, at 6:50 PM, Ron Kulp <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> My fav explanation >>> You are a moron >>> Yet not >>> Yet a total moron >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Nov 6, 2013, at 5:53 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Ron, >>>> >>>> Maybe you perceive what it isn't. Or maybe you perceive both what it is >>>> and what it isn't. Or neither what it is nor what it isn't. Pick your >>>> favorite analogy to explain. >>>> >>>> "Awareness is the key. But what does the word mean to you? To most people, >>>> perhaps, it denotes an acknowledgement of that which is going on around >>>> them in a general sort of way. In the context of meditation, however, it >>>> means ‘waking up’, becoming acutely sensitive, knowing, feeling, living >>>> the moment in its pristine state, sensing colours and contours, sounds, >>>> textures, smells, recognising tendencies within oneself yet resisting the >>>> pull to be controlled by them — this is meditation, to begin with at >>>> least." >>>> >>>> >>>> http://buddhismnow.com/2013/07/05/first-steps-buddhist-meditation/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Marsha >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Nov 6, 2013, at 5:37 AM, Ron Kulp wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Another myth is that meditation will allow one >>>>> To "perceive reality as it is". >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Nov 6, 2013, at 3:18 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "With more than seven billion minds active every moment, there are >>>>>> endless streams of thoughts in these minds on every aspect of creation. >>>>>> Some thoughts perceive reality the way it is, some are imagination, and >>>>>> some are simply misconceptions. While there are misconceptions and myths >>>>>> about many topics, one of the most popular topics is meditation. Say the >>>>>> word, "meditation" and all kinds of images and notions come up. Is this >>>>>> for me? I can't sit for long hours. Who wants to meditate anyway? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "Here are some of the most common myths about meditation: >>>>>> >>>>>> "Myth #1: Meditation is concentration >>>>>> >>>>>> "Meditation is actually deconcentration. Concentration is a result of >>>>>> meditation. Concentration requires effort, while meditation is absolute >>>>>> relaxation of the mind. Meditation is letting go, and when that happens, >>>>>> you are in a state of deep rest. When the mind is relaxed, we can >>>>>> concentrate better." >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bhanu-narasimhan/meditation-myths_b_4170727.html >> >> >> ___ >> >> >> ___ >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
