Socrates: “I am wiser than this man; for neither of us really knows anything fine and good, but this man thinks he knows something when he does not, whereas I, as I do not know anything, do not think I do either. I seem, then, in just this little thing to be wiser than this man at any rate, that what I do not know I do not think I know either.”
> On Nov 20, 2013, at 8:19 PM, Ron Kulp <[email protected]> wrote: > > Dmb , > Found the article very intriguing , > The heart of the matter of Eros as > That dynamic drive has the greatest > Meaning in regard to rhetoric when it > Is Understood that it's greAtest principle lies within the love of other > People. > I think your last post to Marsha > Really captured the spirit required > To accurately understand the full > Meaning of "rightness " in speech > Listening and thought but she fails > To understand this > Because she seems to not value > Other people or recognize them > As moral equals. Dismissive of all > But her own experience , rightness > And reflection can only refer to a self > Centered system of values. > > Great article need to read it again > Before making any more comments. > > Ron > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Nov 9, 2013, at 2:34 PM, david buchanan <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> "When Socrates Met Phaedrus: Eros in Philosophy," by Simon Critchley, Hans >> Jonas professor of philosophy at the New School for Social Research in New >> York. >> >> >> http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/11/03/when-socrates-met-phaedrus-eros-in-philosophy/?_r=0 >> >> >> >> "The intention of the “Phaedrus”.., as Alexander Nehemas has convincingly >> suggested, is to inflame philosophical eros in Phaedrus that gives him the >> ability to distinguish bad rhetoric, of the kinds found in Lysias’s speech >> and in Socrates’s first speech, from true rhetoric, of the kind found in the >> second speech and then analyzed in the second half of the dialogue." >> >> >> "...The opposite of a self-contradiction, the “Phaedrus” is a performative >> self-enactment of philosophy. If eros is a force that shapes the >> philosopher, then rhetoric is the art by which the philosopher persuades the >> non-philosopher to assume philosophical eros, to incline their soul towards >> truth. But to do this does not entail abandoning the art of rhetoric or >> indeed sophistry, which teaches that art, although it does so falsely. >> Philosophy uses true rhetoric against false rhetoric. The subject matter >> of the “Phaedrus” is rhetoric, true rhetoric. ..." >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
