In the 17th century Thomas Hobbes wrote: “For such is the nature of (wo)men, that howsoever they may acknowledge many others to be more witty, or more eloquent, or more learned; Yet they will hardly believe there be many so wise as themselves; For they see their own wit at hand, and other (wo)mens at a distance.” Leviathan ch XIII.
21 nov 2013 x kl. 04.10 skrev MarshaV: > > Socrates: > “I am wiser than this man; for neither of us really knows anything fine and > good, but this man thinks he knows something when he does not, whereas I, as > I do not know anything, do not think I do either. I seem, then, in just this > little thing to be wiser than this man at any rate, that what I do not know I > do not think I know either.” > > > > >> On Nov 20, 2013, at 8:19 PM, Ron Kulp <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Dmb , >> Found the article very intriguing , >> The heart of the matter of Eros as >> That dynamic drive has the greatest >> Meaning in regard to rhetoric when it >> Is Understood that it's greAtest principle lies within the love of other >> People. >> I think your last post to Marsha >> Really captured the spirit required >> To accurately understand the full >> Meaning of "rightness " in speech >> Listening and thought but she fails >> To understand this >> Because she seems to not value >> Other people or recognize them >> As moral equals. Dismissive of all >> But her own experience , rightness >> And reflection can only refer to a self >> Centered system of values. >> >> Great article need to read it again >> Before making any more comments. >> >> Ron >> >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Nov 9, 2013, at 2:34 PM, david buchanan <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> "When Socrates Met Phaedrus: Eros in Philosophy," by Simon Critchley, Hans >>> Jonas professor of philosophy at the New School for Social Research in New >>> York. >>> >>> >>> http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/11/03/when-socrates-met-phaedrus-eros-in-philosophy/?_r=0 >>> >>> >>> >>> "The intention of the “Phaedrus”.., as Alexander Nehemas has convincingly >>> suggested, is to inflame philosophical eros in Phaedrus that gives him the >>> ability to distinguish bad rhetoric, of the kinds found in Lysias’s speech >>> and in Socrates’s first speech, from true rhetoric, of the kind found in >>> the second speech and then analyzed in the second half of the dialogue." >>> >>> >>> "...The opposite of a self-contradiction, the “Phaedrus” is a performative >>> self-enactment of philosophy. If eros is a force that shapes the >>> philosopher, then rhetoric is the art by which the philosopher persuades >>> the non-philosopher to assume philosophical eros, to incline their soul >>> towards truth. But to do this does not entail abandoning the art of >>> rhetoric or indeed sophistry, which teaches that art, although it does so >>> falsely. Philosophy uses true rhetoric against false rhetoric. The >>> subject matter of the “Phaedrus” is rhetoric, true rhetoric. ..." >>> >>> >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
