I thought about this some more Andre, and I can see Struggle, like a fish struggling to make it out of the sea an onto the land. There is constant struggling and striving between the levels.
But competition has a different connotation - of an equal opponent. A man may struggle through the mud but he does not compete with the mud. An idea may struggle for popular acceptance but it does not compete with society or social patterns. Ideas compete with other ideas and make themselves known in struggles with society. Perhaps that's a bit semantically esoteric, but it seems important to me. Thanks, John On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Andre <[email protected]> wrote: > John to Andre: > > I admit they do struggle. > > Andre: > That's a start John. I mean, you don't have to be a genius to experience > that there is struggle and competition between the levels. > > John: > > But is it necessary? That is, is this the metaphysics of Quality? > Following the idea that it's all struggle and competition, is a low Quality > way to live. > > Andre: > I think I won't tread on anyone's toes if I say that we all would like to > see the world a better place John, that's one of the reasons Pirsig > developed the MoQ: to make the world a little better. But don't > underestimate the force 'behind' this 'struggle and competition'. When you > think about it and place this struggle and competition within a > historical/evolutionary context you'll find that that is the only way to > live. It is the highest quality we have evolved thus far. I mean, life IS > dynamic! > > John: > You're always on edge and unhappy, if you think that way. For all your > examples, anything that could be offered as struggle and competition > between the levels - its a bad thing. A life out of balance.I know such > occurs, but I'd hope we aim higher. > Andre: > Speak for yourself John! 'Higher' as in what? God and a 'religious' way of > life? The Absolute? What? If you're looking for stability, serenity and > harmony, go to the cemetery. > Oops, that is actually lower... metaphorically speaking. Perhaps you'd > rather go up with the daisies then? > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
