John to Andre:
I admit they do struggle.

Andre:
That's a start John. I mean, you don't have to be a genius to experience that there is struggle and competition between the levels.

John:
But is it necessary? That is, is this the metaphysics of Quality? Following the idea that it's all struggle and competition, is a low Quality way to live.

Andre:
I think I won't tread on anyone's toes if I say that we all would like to see the world a better place John, that's one of the reasons Pirsig developed the MoQ: to make the world a little better. But don't underestimate the force 'behind' this 'struggle and competition'. When you think about it and place this struggle and competition within a historical/evolutionary context you'll find that that is the only way to live. It is the highest quality we have evolved thus far. I mean, life IS dynamic!

John:
You're always on edge and unhappy, if you think that way. For all your examples, anything that could be offered as struggle and competition between the levels - its a bad thing. A life out of balance.I know such occurs, but I'd hope we aim higher.
Andre:
Speak for yourself John! 'Higher' as in what? God and a 'religious' way of life? The Absolute? What? If you're looking for stability, serenity and harmony, go to the cemetery. Oops, that is actually lower... metaphorically speaking. Perhaps you'd rather go up with the daisies then?
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