John to Andre:
I thought about this some more Andre, and I can see Struggle, like a
fish struggling to make it out of the sea an onto the land. There is
constant struggling and striving between the levels.
Andre:
Hi John. Well...in view of what you are saying further in your post I
don't want to press the point too hard but the fish (or whatever it was)
is in competition with all the 'above water elements' resulting in the
change of gills to lungs and whatever (I am not a biologist by any
means) requiring a profound redevelopment and adaptation of its organic
patterns and the invention of new ones to assist in the process of
survival. The struggle you seem to be referring to above seems like one
that takes physical effort which can be exhausting and that will
certainly be part of the adaptive process of working out what's best
i.e. which will ensure the survival of the species. But struggle or as I
maintain, competition (both apply) isn't confined to (in)organic
patterns of value.
John:
But competition has a different connotation - of an equal opponent.
Andre:
I'm not sure what you are getting at here John. An 'equal opponent'?
Remember we are talking about patterns of value here. It has little to
do with size or numbers or weight i.e.(in)organic patterns.
John:
An idea may struggle for popular acceptance but it does not compete with
society or social patterns.
Andre:
Here we go again. Popular acceptance as distinct from social patterns?
Take the idea of human rights (as an example)...does that not compete?
This universal idea does not compete with parochial/national social
interests?? Come on John. The news/media is full of it. Remember, as an
example, that the Children's Bill of Rights has not been signed by the
US of A, for 'economic' reasons.
Remember Martin Luther King (civil rights for
blacks/minorities...everyone)? Remember Lincoln (Abolition of Slavery)?
There was no struggle? No competition?
The beauty of high quality intellectual patterns of value is that they
are universally applicable. That makes them high quality
patterns...applicable everywhere and for everyone at any time. And what
makes them universally applicable? Because they are the highest
intellectual quality representation/ manifestation of what is Good.
However, this creates a problem for societies (and social patterns) that
are (typically) dominated by national/parochial social patterns. And
which society isn't? Each society has it's defining features...its
defining values which it feels it needs to protect. Otherwise it
wouldn't exist or deserve the status of separate 'country'. There must
be a boundary (SOM all the way).
And when something (intellectually) universally applicable comes along
there is going to be competition with those social values because it is
seen as a threat. A threat to one's identity, sovereignty, character...
you name it...all the social and psychological values you can think of.
John:
Perhaps that's a bit semantically esoteric, but it seems important to me.
Andre:
I appreciate that John and I think I have addressed that. Please
remember we are talking about values.
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