John said to dmb: Well, I don't mean to cause hostility, Dave. It just sort of happens. I don't understand why. Lets all just be friends.
dmb says: Well, as I tried to explain, it doesn't "just sort of happen". You are - perhaps unwittingly - adopting anti-intellectual ideas and attitudes from the religious reactionaries. You are repeating their slogans. And your response - a personal plea for friendship and acceptance - is really just more anti-intellectual hostility. I mean, it's just not about that. Making nice and being friends is a fine thing but when it's offered INSTEAD of an actual engagement with the ideas at play then you're just abusing these fine sentiments as a diversion or evasion tactic. I think that's dishonest, manipulative, irresponsible, and irrelevant. It's not respectable and it's certainly not friendly. > On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 6:42 AM, david <[email protected]> wrote: > > > dmb says: > > Yes, as in the hot stove example, Quality comes first and the static > > descriptions always follow. BUT one can respond to DQ in various ways: > > biologically, socially, or intellectually and that will be determined by > > one's level of development. That's why it's important to make distinctions > > between the levels. Anyone can respond biologically - anyone will jump off > > the stove. If we are responding to a book like Pirsig's, biological and > > social patterns are simply not good enough. Nobody can do philosophy with > > their guts and social level quality isn't going to help much either. Just > > as in motorcycle maintenance, you have to have a feel for the work or > > things are going to get all hacked up and distorted. That, I think, is > > John's problem. He not only doesn't have a feel for the work, he's hostile > > to it. > > > > > > > > > From: [email protected] > > > To: [email protected] > > > Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 03:58:07 +0000 > > > Subject: Re: [MD] The Social aspect of SOM > > > > > > John "Birthday Cake Boy" Carl said earlier this month: > > > > > > > What I mean is, we get a feeling of injustice or unfairness first, then > > > > rationalize it after the fact. Nobody does it the other way around > > unless > > > > they are completely rule-bound (social) > > > > > > Ron Kulp replied March 12th 2014: > > > > > > "Often I don't have the feeling of > > > Being screwed when I'm being > > > Screwed, often it's after the fact > > > And I reflect, do I realize hey that > > > Asshole just pulled one over on me, > > > Then I feel injustice . > > > Like your last post to me. > > > It didn't piss me off until I thought > > > About it." > > > > > > > > > Ant McWatt comments: > > > > > > Good for you Ron. > > > > > > There we have a very good example (possibly even a better one than the > > "Hot Stove" example in LILA) where we have a Dynamic "feeling" (or > > "intuition"... whatever you like to call "IT") and then see the LATER > > static intellectual realisation (by Ron in this particular case rather - > > than Spike the dog from the Tom & Jerry cartoons... ) that someone (namely > > one John "Birthday Cake Boy" Carl) is actually - despite initial > > appearances - trying to make me look like a jackass (or rather foolish - to > > put it very politely)! > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > Archives: > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > > > > -- > "finite players > play within boundaries. > Infinite players > play *with* boundaries." > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
