John asked:
...I associate the romantic with art. Is that wrong?
Arlo answered:
Again, depends on if you're in the problem space or the solution space. In ZMM,
the "romantic" was associated with "art" because "art" was artificially
divorced from reason. So, yes, within the problem space of ZMM, the romantic
perspective was associated with aesthetics and beauty and painting and music.
In the solution space, however, this is very wrong. "Art" is "high-quality
endeavor", and applies equally to the former distinctions of romantic and
classic. In this post-ZMM space, it'd be more accurate to 'associate' art with
Quality. "High-quality" and "artistic" become synonyms.In this space, 'art' is
as much a part of reason as it is painting. Indeed, the distinction between
'classic' and 'romantic' is broken down entirely. 'Writing a novel', 'repairing
a motorcycle', 'building a rotisserie', 'painting a watercolor', 'performing a
symphony', 'constructing a metaphysics', 'dancing around a maypole', 'doing
differential calculus', ALL of these are 'art'.
John replied:
...I'd rather speak in terms of classic and romantic (the problem space)
because that's where the one's I talk to dwell.
dmb says:
Since you were "talking" where the MOQers dwell and not on the street, John,
your preference for the problem space makes no sense at all. I think the
problem space is more comfortable for you because it props up your
anti-intellectualism, which was dripping from most every sentence throughout
that long post. By the same token and for the same reasons, you prefer to keep
talk of the intellect out the the solution space because that's where we get a
rationality expanded at its roots, where we get the art of rationality, the
moral codes that put social values under intellectual values. And of course
that solution space IS the MOQ rather than its metaphysical enemy, namely SOM
with its artless attitudes of objectivity. As I often often put it when Marsha
was repeatedly committing this epic mistake, you are talking about the disease
instead of the cure. Hard to say whether anti-intellectualism is the cause or
the effect of this mistake but they go hand in hand either way.
Seems that you're not really a MOQer so much as a mocker, which wouldn't be so
bad if you could really see what you were mocking.
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